View Full Version : A report that's bad news for Sony and EA!
Zorro7
10-21-2007, 12:21 PM
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=17847
Madden gets it too!
Frogacuda
10-21-2007, 02:20 PM
As long as Yakuza 2 makes it out, I can close the book on PS2 and be happy.
The Madden thing honestly really surprises me.
squall_vb
10-21-2007, 02:21 PM
Yeah... didn't Madden keep showing up on the PSX like, um, forever?
Frogacuda
10-21-2007, 02:33 PM
Yeah... didn't Madden keep showing up on the PSX like, um, forever?
Yeah. I remember it was extra hilarious when it had SNES Madden built in, but with updated rosters. I think that was Madden 01 or 02 on PSX.
Da_Shocker
10-21-2007, 03:18 PM
Lowering prices from EA would be fine with me.
Specineff
10-21-2007, 11:34 PM
Okay, let me see if I get it straight... Sony thinks that killing the PS2 will help them sell more PS3s. But could it be that the PS2 is selling more because it doesn't suck? I don't see how shortage of PS2=Increased demand of PS3. I understand they need to sell PS3s, but a bigger problem than people getting PS2s, is the fact the bloody thing is so bloody expensive.
LOL, Sony.
Frogacuda
10-21-2007, 11:44 PM
Okay, let me see if I get it straight... Sony thinks that killing the PS2 will help them sell more PS3s. But could it be that the PS2 is selling more because it doesn't suck? I don't see how shortage of PS2=Increased demand of PS3. I understand they need to sell PS3s, but a bigger problem than people getting PS2s, is the fact the bloody thing is so bloody expensive.
LOL, Sony.
It's more about the developers. Pushing big japanese devs off the PS2 is going to mean more projects ending up on PS3. This is why MS executed their Stalin-esque erasure of Xbox 1 the moment the 360 came out.
squall_vb
10-22-2007, 01:20 AM
Microsoft's console is the 360, and it always has been the 360.
(Sorry, my references are a bit obscure this evening.)
mr_chun
10-23-2007, 03:35 PM
It's more about the developers. Pushing big japanese devs off the PS2 is going to mean more projects ending up on PS3. This is why MS executed their Stalin-esque erasure of Xbox 1 the moment the 360 came out. Except the execution of the PS2 means that the developers are going to run to Wii60 instead. They're only sticking with the PS2 cause it has such a huge userbase. Once it's gone, why would they pick the platform with the worst sales? 3rd parties are greedy nowadays. :p
Frogacuda
10-23-2007, 03:39 PM
Except the execution of the PS2 means that the developers are going to run to Wii60 instead.
Japanese developers do not want to put their big guns on 360. The 360 is still doing terribly in Japan, so you're not going to see the big-name J-RPGs there. Wii, also, is seen more as a place for medium-to-low budget novelty spinoffs and such and few devs want to bring their main series to the Wii in a big way.
Notice both systems have very little in terms of big-name RPG support. Wii does have the new Tales of Symphonia, which is not to be ignored, and 360 has some Microsoft-sponsored new IPs, but there's for the most part companies seem to have reservations about all the new systems to an extent.
Basil
10-23-2007, 03:52 PM
It also depends on how much the 3rd parties want to invest in the creation of their games. For example, Monster Hunter 3 is now on Wii instead of PS3.
Notice both systems have very little in terms of big-name RPG support. Wii does have the new Tales of Symphonia, which is not to be ignored,Namco is an exception to the rule, if you're discussing how Japanese developers look at the Xbox 360 (and the Wii, to an extent). Though I know you were talking about RPGs in general, they've already lined up a bevy of titles for the 360 ("Eternal Sonata", "Ace Combat 6", "Beautiful Katamari", "Warhammer: Mark of Chaos", et cetera). They understand that making significant profits off of PS3 games is very difficult, and that the largest audience in NA isn't on 360's direct competitor.
Considering, while titles like a new Tales RPG should indeed be paid attention to, I doubt anything Namco does is capable of making waves. For one thing, they've done it before (since "Tales of Symphonia" was released on the NGC, and "Soul Calibur II" was cross-platform); for another, though Tales has a very devoted fan following, it still isn't a household name abroad like "Final Fantasy".
Of course, this just supports your whole point: The majority of Japanese developers don't support the Xbox 360. How damning it is, though, to not at least go cross-platform in some cases; the NA audience is important for worldwide sales (as Namco and Capcom have realized) and not catering to them as well, particularly when it comes to big-budget games, is simply ridiculous.
Basil
10-23-2007, 04:04 PM
Also the Thread Description: *knows some of you will love it!* SHOULD have been Thread Description: *knows some of you Wii'll love it!*
How Sony can survive:
Make a new, cheap console that can act as the bridge between the PS2 and PS3. A little bit higher tech than the Wii, nowhere near the 360. Sell it for a price where they make money, make it stupid easy to develope for, BAM! They'd be sitting pretty. All the while they could make new big franchises on this system while having the sequels planned for the PS3, thus syphoning the users of this system over to the high end PS3 as the price of the PS3 goes down/holidays roll around.
Thankfully, this will probably never happen and Sony will die. :satan:
DarthArcturus
10-27-2007, 03:01 AM
How Sony can survive:
Make a new, cheap console that can act as the bridge between the PS2 and PS3. A little bit higher tech than the Wii, nowhere near the 360. Sell it for a price where they make money, make it stupid easy to develope for, BAM! They'd be sitting pretty. All the while they could make new big franchises on this system while having the sequels planned for the PS3, thus syphoning the users of this system over to the high end PS3 as the price of the PS3 goes down/holidays roll around.
Thankfully, this will probably never happen and Sony will die. :satan:
shhhhh! they might be reading !
shhhhh! they might be reading !
Even if they were they'd probably just put out a "Super Budget PS3" that somehow took Blu-Ray out. :lol:
Frogacuda
10-27-2007, 04:31 AM
That is the worst idea since Sony decided to hold off for blu-Ray. Splitting up your userbase further never solved anything.
I think they're just going to have to take the hit and cut the price, or tough it out. The latter is not out of the question. I suspect this generation will last a lot longer than the usual 5 year cycle and if it does, Sony may find it easier to lower their prices and pull their userbase up before the page turns on the industry again.
Specineff
10-27-2007, 07:00 AM
Here's more wrong ideas. Sony=Phail. PS3=The 3DO.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/oops/eye-of-judgment-cards-copyable-314899.php
LOL, Sony.
lordsnarf
10-27-2007, 12:24 PM
It's more about the developers. Pushing big japanese devs off the PS2 is going to mean more projects ending up on PS3. This is why MS executed their Stalin-esque erasure of Xbox 1 the moment the 360 came out.
And for MS that move almost made sense in an evil kinda way. At that time, they were first into the new generation, and were not leading the old gen. They wanted to start building the new system's user base and take advantage of that head start.
I get that Sony wants to start seeing their return from the development of PS3, and if they just hold it out ,as Frog said, they likely will. I see how having the PS2 selling well hurts the PS3's sales. I don't see how that hurts Sony. I guess that's easy for me to say without looking at real sales figures, but it just doesn't make sense to cut off the PS2 while it's still relevant. That's the kind of cold move that loses you fans.
While they're at it Sony should cut out the PSP, I hear that's cutting into PS3 sales. Maybe they should get their dvd division to start making movies on only Blue Ray Discs, and stop manufacturing dvd players.
That is the worst idea since Sony decided to hold off for blu-Ray. Splitting up your userbase further never solved anything.
The PS3 doesn't have much of a userbase to split. I can assure you such a console would outsell the PS3 in minimum time and get far more support than the PS3 will.
Edit: OK, this would mostly work in Japan I guess. In the areas where people aren't being jackasses over foreign consoles, people would just say, "Fuck that, I got a 360."
Microsoft really should've just bought Sega and let them put out the Xbox brand in Japan under their name. :shrug: Or partnered with NEC or something.
Specineff
10-27-2007, 04:36 PM
Sometimes I wonder if it's not much Microsoft's evil, as it is Japan's Jackassity towards foreigners. (Don't mean to sound offensive, but sheesh... they forget there is a world outside their borders sometimes.)
Frogacuda
10-27-2007, 04:45 PM
Microsoft really should've just bought Sega and let them put out the Xbox brand in Japan under their name. :shrug: Or partnered with NEC or something.
This would have been an appealing arrangement for MS, but I doubt it would have been good for Sega (couldn't be worse than the eventual Sammy disaster, but still). Sega wasn't for sale at the time Xbox came out anyway.
This would have been an appealing arrangement for MS, but I doubt it would have been good for Sega (couldn't be worse than the eventual Sammy disaster, but still). Sega wasn't for sale at the time Xbox came out anyway.
Might as well have been.
SPYvsSPY
11-05-2007, 11:47 PM
sony's just flat-out lost thier upper hand, the ps2 is like handheld market to nintendo. dumping the ps2 is a stupid move. whatever though. fuck ea altogether.
Luminous
11-06-2007, 10:11 AM
Sometimes I wonder if it's not much Microsoft's evil, as it is Japan's Jackassity towards foreigners. (Don't mean to sound offensive, but sheesh... they forget there is a world outside their borders sometimes.)
I think it has more to do with Japanese gamers not wanting to use foreign consoles. They embrace all sorts of foreign pop culture stuff, but not when it comes to gaming. At least that is what it seems. Although Halo 3 was actually on the top of the sales chart for a week.
daumal
11-06-2007, 11:49 AM
How Sony can survive:
Make a new, cheap console that can act as the bridge between the PS2 and PS3. A little bit higher tech than the Wii, nowhere near the 360. Sell it for a price where they make money, make it stupid easy to develope for, BAM! They'd be sitting pretty. All the while they could make new big franchises on this system while having the sequels planned for the PS3, thus syphoning the users of this system over to the high end PS3 as the price of the PS3 goes down/holidays roll around.
Thankfully, this will probably never happen and Sony will die. :satan:
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