Raiden Fighters Collection coming out for 360 [Archive]

11-20-2007, 02:07 PM

No, damn them to hell for fucking their fans and past consoles over. Why the fuck do they have to remake and release everything on a console made by a company that pretty much killed them?

Fuck them. They don't have lick of creativity so they have to go back and whore out all their old shit, which is a slap in the face to the people who actually bought their consoles back when they were a "failure".

And NeoZedEater made a thread about this in Fantasy Zone, which I was polite enough to avoid, this thread is about Raiden Fighters Jet Compilation, which incidentally hasn't been released on a console before and is actual good news, and not yet another remake from a company that is but a mere shadow of its former self.

Newport420

11-20-2007, 02:10 PM

Me likes Raiden so....... yippee!

11-20-2007, 02:11 PM

Me likes Raiden so....... yippee!

According to Frog this series is actually infinitely better than the original Raiden games. I must say, what little I played of one of them on MAME did seem pretty neat (I don't remember what I said about it though, Frog might). And if I liked what I played of it on MAME AT ALL, then its gotta be good since I HATE Raiden 1 and 2.

Newport420

11-20-2007, 02:14 PM

I fell in love with classic Raiden but so long as its a good solid shooter with Raiden roots then I will be set. Thats a genre itch I have not been able to scratch much lately. VERY NICE!

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 02:39 PM

I fell in love with classic Raiden but so long as its a good solid shooter with Raiden roots then I will be set. Thats a genre itch I have not been able to scratch much lately. VERY NICE!
They're a bit different. They have a lot of different ships to choose from so you don't have to play as a slow ship (which is a big part of what jp hates about Raiden) and more of a contemporary war theme than a space theme. It is a distinct series from Raiden.

Anyway, ABOUT FUCKING TIME. These are some of my favorite shooters of all time, and they've deserved a home port for a long time and never gotten it. I hope this sees a US release.

NeoZeedeater

11-20-2007, 02:45 PM

No, damn them to hell for fucking their fans and past consoles over. Why the fuck do they have to remake and release everything on a console made by a company that pretty much killed them?
Not that I have any love for Sony (or any first-parties on the corporate level as opposed to development teams) but I don't think it's fair to blame them for Sega's demise without considering various other factors. If anything, Nintendo caused more damage when you look at the big picture going back to the '80s. The Japanese consumer flocked to Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy over Phantasy Star and other Sega franchises long before Sony made consoles.

Anyway, on topic, I really hope the Raiden Fighters compilation comes out here or doesn't have regional lockout.

11-20-2007, 02:48 PM

so you don't have to play as a slow ship (which is a big part of what jp hates about Raiden)

You know, I don't know if I ever said that to you directly or not, but if not then thats VERY insightful. In fact, I didn't even know why I hated Raiden so much. I just knew that I hated it. I could never stand to play either entry for more than a few minutes (though its not as bad as Psikyo games where I just quit playing videogames for a few days after playing one). But I bet it is indeed the slow ship bit that makes me hate them as much as I do. I imagine if they were a bit faster I'd hate it a LITTLE bit less.

Thats probably also why I hate Gradius, since if you die you don't move fast enough to dodge anything.

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 02:49 PM

Only that Sega can burn in hell and that I now wish more than ever that they had died with the Dreamcast.

You do realize that DC was doomed from the start by Sega's crushing debt and even if every PS2 sale was a DC sale it still would have died, right?

11-20-2007, 02:57 PM

You do realize that DC was doomed from the start by Sega's crushing debt and even if every PS2 sale was a DC sale it still would have died, right?

Well, if every PS2 sale was a DC sale and the DC had some decent bootleg protection on it, then I imagine Sega could've remained in the game.

Oh, and if Sega didn't give away a free Dreamcast/$200 if you signed up for SegaNet.

But still, Sony's hype machine was most certainly a factor in Sega's demise, so I reiterate: Fuck Sega.

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 03:01 PM

Well, if every PS2 sale was a DC sale and the DC had some decent bootleg protection on it, then I imagine Sega could've remained in the game.Oh, I forgot about how Sony designed their copy protection system :p

Let's be honest, Sony didn't pull any dirty tricks to kill Sega, and it was as much the crowded market that included newcomer Microsoft that pushed Sega out as it was Sony. It was a lot of things and it's silly to blame Sony any more than you'd blame a shark for eating a seal.

And most of all it was years of Sega mis-managing their money and fucking up their marketing that left them destitute and unable to support the system.

11-20-2007, 03:03 PM

Oh, I forgot about how Sony designed their copy protection system :p

Let's be honest, Sony didn't pull any dirty tricks to kill Sega, and it was as much the crowded market that included newcomer Microsoft that pushed Sega out as it was Sony. It was a lot of things and it's silly to blame Sony any more than you'd blame a shark for eating a seal.

Nice way to twist around my words, as per usual.

Regardless, Sony was very much a big part of why the DC up and died. The Japanese picked up the PS2 (waited for it even) mostly because it was going to be a cheap DVD player and Sony's bullshit hype on the day the DC came out contributed all around as well. And as we all know, the DC was much more successful in the US than it was in Japan, whereas it was vice versa for the Saturn since Bernie Stolar was an incompetent twat.

Sony, Bernie Stolar, Sega of Japan, and whoever did the horrible copy protection for the DC. But still, Sony did play a part, and Sony's fans are fucking annoying, so regardless, fuck Sony and fuck current day Sega too.

And do you really want to keep this argument (that is never going to change) going in the thread about YOUR favorite shooting series ever finally getting a home port? I mean honestly.

Hunter

11-20-2007, 03:06 PM

Sony is the devil. And Raiden is the only schmup I've ever loved. YAYS!!

Specineff

11-20-2007, 03:10 PM

Anyway, ABOUT FUCKING TIME. These are some of my favorite shooters of all time, and they've deserved a home port for a long time and never gotten it. I hope this sees a US release.

Let's just hope XS games doesn't pick it up. Mankind ill needs a game such as Mobile Light Force 3.

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 03:12 PM

Nice way to twist around my words, as per usual.

I was joking. Note the smiley.

In any event, I wouldn't expect Sony to roll over and hand Sega the market. They did what they do. If Sega planned better on a couple issues (namely copy protection and DVD) and had the resources to see it through, they could have held out fine. But they didn't and that's really no one's fault but Sega.

In a sense the Saturn had as much to do the the DC's failure as Sony did, if not more.

11-20-2007, 03:19 PM

In a sense the Saturn had as much to do the the DC's failure as Sony did, if not more.

Money wise maybe. But otherwise, how? The Saturn was a success in Japan but a failure in the US. The DC was a decent success in the US but a flop in Japan.

On another note, I do find your comment about Sega adding DVD to the DC most amusing. You know, once upon time game companies made game consoles, that played games, and didn't really worry about whether or not they could play movies or surf the internet or stupid shit like that.

Let's just hope XS games doesn't pick it up. Mankind ill needs a game such as Mobile Light Force 3.

If anyone brings it over I imagine it will be Ubisoft. But since no one bought Senko no Ronde for 360, I don't know how eager they'll be to bring over another 2D shooter. In Japan its being published by Success and developed by that new company making a game with G.Rev (Gutri or something). I don't think Success publishes stuff in the US, so I doubt they'll do it.

I guess we need to start bombarding Ubisoft with emails begging for it. :nod:

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 03:29 PM

Money wise maybe. But otherwise, how? The Saturn was a success in Japan but a failure in the US. The DC was a decent success in the US but a flop in Japan.
It was a moderate success in Japan, but still struggling financially. The DC sold well in the US but still lost money. Sega never was good at staying profitable.

On another note, I do find your comment about Sega adding DVD to the DC most amusing. You know, once upon time game companies made game consoles, that played games, and didn't really worry about whether or not they could play movies or surf the internet or stupid shit like that.
Yeah, but Sega was smart enough to realize times change and include web browsing with their console and if they were smart enough to piggyback DVD on there, it would have helped them, too.

There was a time when phones just called people, too, and they didn't need to play MP3s and take pictures. Condensing electronics in a way that's convenient for people is the natural progression of things. Sega DID know this, they just didn't realize how important DVD would be.

If anyone brings it over I imagine it will be Ubisoft. But since no one bought Senko no Ronde for 360, I don't know how eager they'll be to bring over another 2D shooter. In Japan its being published by Success and developed by that new company making a game with G.Rev (Gutri or something). I don't think Success publishes stuff in the US, so I doubt they'll do it.
Agetec has a pretty good relationship with Success, so they're probably the best bet.

11-20-2007, 03:31 PM

Doesn't change the fact that an overhyped DVD player helped bring about the DC's demise. :p

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 03:33 PM

They knew the shark was coming, and they knew what sharks do.

You know, Nintendo spent years trying to crush Sega too. Sony is just the company that was around when they finally collapsed.

Newport420

11-20-2007, 03:41 PM

Sony is the devil. And Raiden is the only schmup I've ever loved. YAYS!!

Good posting! I concur.

11-20-2007, 03:51 PM

They knew the shark was coming, and they knew what sharks do.

You know, Nintendo spent years trying to crush Sega too. Sony is just the company that was around when they finally collapsed.

Yeah, but Nintendo tried to do it with an excellent library of 1st party titles. Sure, they did some shady shit on the NES (and SNES? I don't remember), but when all was said and done it was really the first party titles that defined which consoles you wound up loving.

Sony? EA and a DVD player.

Specineff

11-20-2007, 04:19 PM

11-20-2007, 04:20 PM

And George "We could have made the whole Episode 1 using a PS2" Lucas.

And "Toy Story-like graphics".

And "Upgraded Drivers for PS1 games" upon the threat of bleemcast.

And ICBMs controlled via a PS2.

And Saddam Hussein wanting PS2s to guide such ICBMs.

And so on...

:goodpost:

ANYWAYS, fuck Sony and fuck Sega, the end.

So, how 'bout that Raiden Fighters? :nod: Its being ported by the people who made the originals, so 'tis pretty exciting news no?

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 04:28 PM

Yeah, but Nintendo tried to do it with an excellent library of 1st party titles. Sure, they did some shady shit on the NES (and SNES? I don't remember), but when all was said and done it was really the first party titles that defined which consoles you wound up loving.

Bullshit, dude. Seriously. Do you know ANYTHING about Nintendo's practices governing third parties at the time? Not only did it include ridiculous content policing, and limiting the amount of titles companies could release, but also exclusivity for every company publishing on the NES.

That's why the only NES games that showed up on the SMS were developed in-house at Sega, in Europe (where Nintendo didn't have leverage), or released very late in the system's life. They kept all the big games off of Sega's console, and believe me shit like Megaman, Castlevania, and Contra had a lot to do with the NES's success.

You ever wonder why there are a total of two third-party-published SMS games in the US? That never struck you as odd when even Jaguar had third parties? Nintendo in the 8-bit days were 1000x more anti-competitive than Sony or anyone else in the industry. And they still would be if they could get away with it.
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And "Toy Story-like graphics".
Nintendo made the same claim with their "based on SGI Workstations" bullshit hype for N64.

And ICBMs controlled via a PS2.
Wasn't Sony's story. It was because customs was taxing PS2s based on the bullshit notion that they were military-grade computers, and the media ran with it.

Remember Sony actually had to FIGHT that claim to efficiently export their systems.

11-20-2007, 04:29 PM

Bullshit, dude. Seriously. Do you know ANYTHING about Nintendo's practices governing third parties at the time? Not only did it include ridiculous content policing, and limiting the amount of titles companies could release, but also exclusivity for every company publishing on the NES.

That's why the only NES games that showed up on the SMS were developed in-house at Sega, in Europe (where Nintendo didn't have leverage), or released very late in the system's life. They kept all the big games off of Sega's console, and believe me shit like Megaman, Castlevania, and Contra had a lot to do with the NES's success.

You ever wonder why there are a total of two third-party-published SMS games in the US? That never struck you as odd when even Jaguar had third parties?

Um, if memory serves me correctly, I did say "Nintendo did some shady shit", which, I'm pretty sure, was referring to the novel you just wrote for us.

And while Mega Man, Castlevania, etc. did a lot for Nintendo, even if they were on both systems the NES would've still trounced the SMS, simply because Super Mario Bros. and Zelda were the big titles of the day. Sure, people like you and me give the nod to Alex Kidd in Miracle World, but the popular games at the time were the Nintendo first party games. The NES sold because it had SMB, Duck Hunt, Zelda, etc. I imagine most people that bought the NES did so for Nintendo's games, and would've bought the NES even if Mega Man, Castlevania, etc. had wound up on the SMS with much better graphics.

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 04:34 PM

And while Mega Man, Castlevania, etc. did a lot for Nintendo, even if they were on both systems the NES would've still trounced the SMS, simply because Super Mario Bros. and Zelda were the big titles of the day.
Didn't work in Europe, did it? Last I checked Mario and Zelda came out there, too. What Nintendo did was anti-competitive, plain and simple. WAY more than anything Sony ever did.

11-20-2007, 04:41 PM

Mario and Zelda aren't big in Europe?

Anyways, spoilers:
SMS/Genesis fanboy will debate with the Sega Saturn/Dreamcast fanboy about whether or not Nintendo is more evil than Sony. SMS/Genesis fanboy will point to Nintendo's shitty business practices from back in the 80s and the Saturn/Dreamcast fanboy will point to Sony's general suckiness. In the end, both will hate their respective "hated company" as much as they hated them prior to the argument, and nothing will be accomplished or resolved and the 32896447934789327893th installment in the series will occur down the road when either Nintendo does something the SMS/Genesis fanboy doesn't like or when something happens with Sega involving Sony that the Sega Saturn/Dreamcast fanboy doesn't like.

NOW CAN WE STOP ARGUING ABOUT THIS GODDAMN STUPID SHIT?! You hate Nintendo, I hate Sony, both companies suck for their own reasons, Sega was infinitely better than both, we both know this, why does it fucking matter?

Jesus, just once... ONCE... I would like to see something like... PC-Engine CD fanboy and a Sega CD fanboy go at it, or an Atari/Colecovision standoff, or Amiga vs. Commodore 64 or... or fucking... or NES fanboy vs. PC-Engine fanboy, or just... SOMETHING... different. Oh my God. How many times does this argument have to take place?

NeoZeedeater

11-20-2007, 04:46 PM

WTF? No one said anything SMS/Genesis fanboy-ish or that they hate Nintendo, just that it's hypocritical to blame Sony for Sega's demise and not blame other factors as well.

Any PC Engine, Atari, Coleco, Commodore, etc. debates are welcome by me, though. ;)

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 04:48 PM

Mario and Zelda aren't big in Europe?Not enough for the NES to have led the market during the 8-bit era.

SMS/Genesis fanboy will debate with the Sega Saturn/Dreamcast fanboy about whether or not Nintendo is more evil than Sony. SMS/Genesis fanboy will point to Nintendo's shitty business practices from back in the 80s and the Saturn/Dreamcast fanboy will point to Sony's general suckiness. In the end, both will hate their respective "hated company" as much as they hated them prior to the argument, and nothing will be accomplished or resolved and the 32896447934789327893th installment in the series will occur down the road when either Nintendo does something the SMS/Genesis fanboy doesn't like or when something happens with Sega involving Sony that the Sega Saturn/Dreamcast fanboy doesn't like.
You're totally missing my point.

I don't hate either company. I'm just saying, these companies are all are sharks. You don't hate a shark for eating a seal. It's just what sharks do. Sega would have done some fucked up shit too if they were powerful enough to get away with it, but they never were.

That's my only point, man. It's the nature of what these companies do. They ALL want to do what they have to to eliminate the competition. Why single out the shark that happened to swim by when the bleeding seal was on its last breath?

11-20-2007, 04:49 PM

WTF? No one said anything SMS/Genesis fanboy-ish or that they hate Nintendo, just that it's hypocritical to blame Sony for Sega's demise and not blame other factors as well.

I'm not referring solely to this thread. This argument has taken place a bajillion times, at a bajillion different places, with a different cast, same cast, non-existant cast, etc.

Its always the same. I just used broad terms. I'm not calling Frog a SMS/Genesis fanboy anymore than I'm admitting that I'm a Dreamcast fanboy (which I'm not, fully am Sega Saturn fanboy though).
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That's my only point, man. It's the nature of what these companies do. They ALL want to do what they have to to eliminate the competition. Why single out any one of them?

Because Nintendo tried to do it with good games and Sony didn't?

And now we're in a circle. Anyone care to discuss Raiden Fighters? Anyone?

lordsnarf

11-20-2007, 04:50 PM

Wooo! Raiden Fighters home port!
Until I played these games I liked Raiden, but always just thought Raiden was Raiden. I was perfectly content with Raiden 1. These titles are an incredible evolution of the series, and definitely worth checking out.
Fingers crossed for a US release people. :)

11-20-2007, 04:51 PM

NeoZeedeater

11-20-2007, 04:51 PM

don't hate either company. I'm just saying, these companies are all are sharks. You don't hate a shark for eating a seal. It's just what sharks do. Sega would have done some fucked up shit too if they were powerful enough to get away with it, but they never were.

That's my only point, man. It's the nature of what these companies do. They ALL want to do what they have to to eliminate the competition. Why single out any one of them?

Exactly. Even Sega, while relatively small, went after non-licensed developers like Accolade. It's the nature of the first-party system, especially since the introduction of the licensee model.

Because Nintendo tried to do it with good games and Sony didn't?
Personally, I have loved a lot of Sony developed/published games including Shadow of the Colossus, Elemental Gearbolt, Twisted Metal 2, Ico, Jumping Flash, Ape Escape, etc.. They're not in Nintendo or Sega's league overall but they haven't been bad by any means. It doesn't matter to me how many good games on a system are first-party, though. I just care how many good games there are in total.

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 04:57 PM

I'm not referring solely to this thread. This argument has taken place a bajillion times, at a bajillion different places, with a different cast, same cast, non-existant cast, etc.
I don't think it is the same argument, though. You're just taking what I'm saying wrong. I'm just saying Sega wasn't strong enough to swim with the sharks. That's all there is to it.

I love Sega, they're by far my all-time favorite developer, but they chose to be a first party and that's the game they had to play, and that's the fate they suffered. They won't be the last.

Specineff

11-20-2007, 05:06 PM

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Nintendo made the same claim with their "based on SGI Workstations" bullshit hype for N64.

And EGM called them out on it, and we all know that minus a few titles, the N64 was a flop, trailing behind the PS1. It would have been third if not for Sega fux0ring up in America.

Sony sold players their lies, and ran away with the money. By the time people started to realize the quality of their systems (DRE, anyone?) and that the Toy Story-like graphics were nowhere to be found, it was too late.

Fuel to the fire FTW.

11-20-2007, 05:09 PM

But until Sony console wars were won with 1st parties. You bought your Nintendo consoles for your Nintendo games. You bought your Sega consoles for Sega games. This may not have been true of the really early stuff, but once the videogame scene really hit the mainstream it was pretty much first-party IP vs. first-party IP.

Me? I loved those days. The first-party people were there while the cnosole was being made, so they were making insanely impressive games consistently. I miss the days of Sonic vs. Mario (even though I had both so I didn't give a fuck). I miss the days when Sega made a WHOLE NEW CREW of IPs EVERYTIME they put out a new console, and rarely relied on their previous IPs because they were creative like that (and I'll say it for you Frog, unlike Nintendo).

I know you and Frog hate first parties and rah rah third parties, but I fucking miss that shit. Because these days everything just seems so... vanilla. It seems like first parties are spending more of their time throwing money at third parties for timed exclusives than they are making their own kickass IPs. That, or they just buy/rent a bunch of companies to make their IPs for them.

And I know, I know, someone is going to come out and point to Little Big Planet or Ico's stuff, but that stuff doesn't even hold a candle to the likes of Panzer Dragoon or Phantasy Star or Legend of Zelda, etc. And even Microsoft used to make some neat little IPs, but that stopped fairly early on and they're 100% in the "buy a company to make our games" wagon. Just like Sony is with Naughty Dog and Insomniac and all of them.

I guess a lot of the reason I hate Sony so much is not only because I STILL percieve them as having a lot to do with Sega's demise (and because I hate their fans with a passion), but also because they created this notion of making systems to do things other than play games, and buying third part exlcusives to sell systems as opposed to just making awesome first party IPs, and just kinda making little tech demos (Fantavision, Vib Ribbon, Little Big Planet, Africa) that some people find "kinda neat".

As a first party, Sega kicked ass. They didn't rely on their past to sell games, they were constantly coming up with cool new shit. Now? Sega almost completely relies on whoring out their past the make a fast buck. I know Sega fans hated the fact that Sega wouldn't make new installments of shit like Panzer Dragoon on the Dreamcast or Alex Kidd on the Saturn or whatever, and hated the fact that after the Genesis Sega rarely used old IPs and primarily focused on new creative endeavors, but to me, that was always what made Sega great. I wasn't looking forward to Sega's new game because it was some IP I liked the previous installments of or because it was from a team Sega had bought (remember, Sega pretty much shuffled their teams every generation), I looked forward to Sega games because it was fucking Sega, and it HAD be damn good. And in most cases, it was always greatness.

But this is no longer the case. And thus I am not a happy gamer in this current gaming era, more just some guy tagging along with Microsoft because they aren't Sony and I don't find their games boring. But if I could have Sega back as a 1st party? Like, old Sega? Fuck yes I would do it, I don't give a fuck what their first party model was.

NeoZeedeater

11-20-2007, 05:32 PM

I guess a lot of the reason I hate Sony so much is not only because I STILL percieve them as having a lot to do with Sega's demise (and because I hate their fans with a passion), but also because they created this notion of making systems to do things other than play games
Not really. They just had perfect timing for when the masses were buying their first DVD players. It's not like past consoles couldn't play music CDs or didn't have non-gaming features. Nintendo's a good example as they really wanted to expand beyond gaming in the 8-bit era with the Famicom modem but with such a young demographic, it didn't take off as a banking/stock trading system.

11-20-2007, 05:35 PM

Not really. They just had perfect timing for when the masses were buying their first DVD players. It's not like past consoles couldn't play music CDs or didn't have non-gaming features. Nintendo's a good example as they really wanted to expand beyond gaming in the 8-bit era with the Famicom modem but with such a young demographic, it didn't take off as a banking/stock trading system.

While other companies did add non-gaming stuff (even the Saturn had internet + browser), that was never a focus of the systems. You bought the Sega Saturn to play games, not listen to music CDs or surf the web.

With the PS2 it was like, "Buy our DVD player that plays games!"
With the PS3 its like, "Buy our cheap Blu-Ray player!"
With the PSP its like, "Buy our MP3 player that can surf the web!"

For Sony, its not as much about the games as it is the functionality and bullshit formats.

Frogacuda

11-20-2007, 06:07 PM

And I know, I know, someone is going to come out and point to Little Big Planet or Ico's stuff, but that stuff doesn't even hold a candle to the likes of Panzer Dragoon or Phantasy Star or Legend of Zelda, etc. And even Microsoft used to make some neat little IPs, but that stopped fairly early on and they're 100% in the "buy a company to make our games" wagon. Just like Sony is with Naughty Dog and Insomniac and all of them.
Sony doesn't own Naughty Dog or Insomniac. They're actually not bad about buying companies out, they just pay them to keep things exclusive, and they have a good relationship with some companies like that. I can't think of any noteworthy buyouts on their part, though their 10% (or whatever) interest in Square-Enix probably gives them some leverage.

they created this notion of making systems to do things other than play games, and buying third part exlcusives to sell systems as opposed to just making awesome first party IPs, and just kinda making little tech demos (Fantavision, Vib Ribbon, Little Big Planet, Africa) that some people find "kinda neat". If Vib Ribbon and Fantavision are tech demos, they're the worst tech demos ever made. Seriously, can you think of worse games to "show off" a system?

Their games are quirky and take chances. That doesn't make them all great titles, but there are definitely times when I'd like to play something fresh and original and their games hit the spot.

The worst thing about gaming right now is when companies let focus groups design games. While Naughty Dog is probably the worst offender of this (Ubisoft is getting bad, too), I respect that Sony has never really cared what the public thought of their in-house games.

They let their teams make what they want. Does that make up for everything else? Maybe not, but at least give them this much.

As a first party, Sega kicked ass. They didn't rely on their past to sell games, they were constantly coming up with cool new shit. Now? Sega almost completely relies on whoring out their past the make a fast buck.Because Sega is broken, broke, and under new ownership. Had they been third party all along, I doubt that would be the case.

But then if they were third party I wonder if they would have been as prolific as they were.
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While other companies did add non-gaming stuff (even the Saturn had internet + browser), that was never a focus of the systems. You bought the Sega Saturn to play games, not listen to music CDs or surf the web.

With the PS2 it was like, "Buy our DVD player that plays games!"
With the PS3 its like, "Buy our cheap Blu-Ray player!"
With the PSP its like, "Buy our MP3 player that can surf the web!"

For Sony, its not as much about the games as it is the functionality and bullshit formats.
Sega CD played music CDs and advertised this as a major feature of the system, right? The DC included a web browser in the box, didn't it?

If a game system has a DVD drive it should play DVDs. It's essentially free functionality that makes your product more appealing. The 360 plays DVDs, too.

I agree Sony is using the PS3 to leverage blu-Ray, and that bit them in the ass, but the other ones are just making their system do things because the parts are all there and it can do those things.

DarthArcturus

11-20-2007, 10:38 PM

save the seals!!! /the end

in any case not familiar with Raiden series but shmups on any modern console is good news to me :D

James

11-20-2007, 11:18 PM

Any company that can publish Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, Jumping Flash, LocoRoco, kick off the music/rhythm genre with Parappa the Rapper, and all the other cool and quirky stuff they do is fine by me.

I'll buy Raiden Fighters, even if it's not published by Sony. :)

James

11-21-2007, 06:33 AM

Sony doesn't own Naughty Dog or Insomniac.

They bought their services to make them exclusive games?

If we're going to play the semantics game then technicall Microsoft never bought Bizarre or Epic or Bioware.

If Vib Ribbon and Fantavision are tech demos, they're the worst tech demos ever made. Seriously, can you think of worse games to "show off" a system?

I meant games with little substance and just flashy colors.

Their games are quirky and take chances. That doesn't make them all great titles, but there are definitely times when I'd like to play something fresh and original and their games hit the spot.

They let their teams make what they want. Does that make up for everything else? Maybe not, but at least give them this much.

Because Sony knows the only thing they have is third parties? I reiterate, I miss good first parties.

Because Sega is broken, broke, and under new ownership. Had they been third party all along, I doubt that would be the case.

Sega is more than broke, Sega is dead.

Sega CD played music CDs and advertised this as a major feature of the system, right? The DC included a web browser in the box, didn't it?

Yes, we all bought Sega CDs because they played music CDs, because a boombox wasn't considerably cheaper. And honestly, the DC web browser? I mean, you're comparing the DC web browser to selling a console as a DVD player/Blu-Ray player? Come on Frog, even you have to know that is stretching.

If a game system has a DVD drive it should play DVDs. It's essentially free functionality that makes your product more appealing. The 360 plays DVDs, too.

I agree Sony is using the PS3 to leverage blu-Ray, and that bit them in the ass, but the other ones are just making their system do things because the parts are all there and it can do those things.

PSP wasn't created just to push the UMD format? And I still say a large part of why the PS2 was so successful initially was because it was a DVD player. Ask virtually any Japanese seller, they'll tell you the same story.

Frogacuda

11-21-2007, 02:57 PM

They bought their services to make them exclusive games?

If we're going to play the semantics game then technicall Microsoft never bought Bizarre or Epic or Bioware.
Correct. MS didn't buy them, and the difference is plainly obvious now. An independent developer can still walk out and do whatever they want whenever they want.

Yes, we all bought Sega CDs because they played music CDs, because a boombox wasn't considerably cheaper. And honestly, the DC web browser? I mean, you're comparing the DC web browser to selling a console as a DVD player/Blu-Ray player? Come on Frog, even you have to know that is stretching.
I didn't say they were as appealing as DVD playback in 2000, but yes, they were incentives, and yes they did add functionality to the system based on the hardware that was there.

Consider this for a moment: Sony doesn't own a piece of the DVD format. They had ZERO interest in DVD doing well. In fact, they were LOSING about $200 on every PS2 that was sold at launch.

The ONLY means that Sony had of making that money back on the PS2 was selling games. Now with that information in mind, can you honestly tell me that Sony's main goal with the PS2 was something other than selling games? Think about it.

11-21-2007, 07:15 PM

The ONLY means that Sony had of making that money back on the PS2 was selling games. Now with that information in mind, can you honestly tell me that Sony's main goal with the PS2 was something other than selling games? Think about it.

"Sony Computer Entertainment System"?

Frogacuda

11-21-2007, 08:46 PM

11-21-2007, 10:53 PM

As opposed to "Nintendo Entertainment System"? What are you getting at and how does that answer my question?

While they did include DVD playback to sell more systems, they did it in the hopes that those people who bought it as a DVD player would eventually buy games for it. Why? Because otherwise they'd be losing money with no means of getting returns.

Remember, Sony is a business, not a charity. They make their money on game sales and ONLY game sales, at least as far as PS2 is concerned. They don't care if you can watch DVDs, they don't make money from that. It's just the trap to get you to buy games.

You're a very naive man. The entire point of the PS2 was (as is the case with Microsoft's consoles and the PS3), the make the Playstation brand the hub for people's entertainment centers. The PS2 wasn't just a game console, it was a multimedia device, or rather, thats what it was initially devised to be. Later on, after the PSX flopped on its ass and Sony couldn't make the PS2 do what they wanted it to do, Sony pretty much quit caring and turned to Blu-Ray/UMDs.

But I digress. My main point is as follows: The PS2 was sold as a DVD player. That was a main driving force in what moved those God forsaken things off the shelves. Prior to that, people bought videogame consoles to play games. CONSOLES Frog. Not expansions or add-ons or whatever, CONSOLES. Yes, the Sega CD could play music CDs, but by then virtually everyone had a shitty little boombox AT LEAST sitting in their home. Yes, the Sega Saturn could surf the internet, it could also act as a printer, thanks to Hitachi it could act as a VCD player, and, also, thanks to Hitachi, it could be a GPS Navigation system. But these weren't the primary selling points behind those systems. Why? Because they were goddamn toys Frog. You bought them for the sole purpose of playing videogames. You didn't buy a Dreamcast so you could surf on the internet, you bought it because it would play fucking awesome games, everything else was just gravy.

PS2? DVD player. PS3? Blu-Ray player. PSP? Failed attempt for UMDs now turned multimedia device. Hell, even the Playstation was just Sony's failed attempt to partner up with Nintendo, and, if anything, was them trying to beat Nintendo at their own game.

Now Nintendo is the only one NOT trying to take over your living room, but they're so obsessed with gimmicks it doesn't leave me much of a choice.

Frogacuda

11-21-2007, 11:56 PM

11-22-2007, 01:48 AM

I think you're being naive. You aren't thinking about this from a business perspective. It's about profit. Period. If you want to know why Sony did what they did, just follow the money.

You're telling me Sony wanted to be the only company on the market to sell a DVD player at a $200 loss, despite not making any money on DVDs because... why? Meditate on that question only for a moment.

Sony was trying to use DVD to bring the DVD crowd into the gaming fold. The end goal was to sell games, and that was the ONLY goal. I know this for a FACT because it was the only thing they made money off of. Selling it as a multi-purpose device was a means to sell people more games.

It's sort of like an inverted version of what Nintendo's doing. Since Nintendo makes money on hardware they use non-game or pseudo-game applications like WiiFit and BrainAge as a means to sell more consoles. Sony used a console that could do non-gaming things to sell more games.

Um, no Frog, Sony pretty much said they wanted the PS2 to be the center of people's entertainment centers. This is why the PSX was made. I know its "all about profit", but whose to say Sony wasn't taking the "center of your living room" approach to ensure Blu-Ray's eventual success? I'm well aware that "its about profits" and Sony doesn't make money off of DVDs, but see, now YOU'RE not seeing the "big picture", which, as Sony said at the time, was "We want to be the center of your home entertainment, blah blah blah."

And I reiterate since you don't seem to understand this even though I've said it a thousand times: SONY. SOLD. THE. PS2. VIA. THE. IDEA. OF. IT. PLAYING. DVDs. When the PS2 came out, that was the ONLY fucking reason ANYONE wanted the piece of shit. At that time, if you looked at the DC's library and the PS2's library and library for the next few years, you'd have to be a fucking idiot to buy a PS2 over a Dreamcast. Or an EA fan. And thats what got the PS2 its strong foothold from the get-go and finished off a dying Sega: It was a DVD player, at some point, it may or may not get some games, but hey, its a DVD player, why not buy it anyways?

Whereas SEGA, was like, "Um, we made a console that has a launch library that obliterates the PS2's current and next few years' library, not to mention all the other cool shit we have. By our system because we made a game system, and we like to think we made a pretty damn good game system, thats easy to program for and is all around cool."

And what did the stupid ass populace do?
"Dur, DVD player get!"

Sony took gaming and made it not about gaming. I don't give a fuck what is going on in their ledgers or all that nonsense, I give a fuck about what the industry became at that moment and I give a fuck that now video game consoles are nothing more than trojan horses for a company to either introduce some bullshit disc format or for another company to make it your one stop shop for whatever. And the only company that ISN'T going that route has to rely on fucking gimmicks.

Frogacuda

11-22-2007, 01:55 AM

Um, no Frog, Sony pretty much said they wanted the PS2 to be the center of people's entertainment centers.
But why?

True or false: If people bought the PS2 and didn't buy games for it, it would cost Sony a ton of money, not make them money.

Answer that one question and only that.

And I reiterate since you don't seem to understand this even though I've said it a thousand times: SONY. SOLD. THE. PS2. VIA. THE. IDEA. OF. IT. PLAYING. DVDs.
Right. They did. But they did that BECAUSE they believed that once the system was in people's homes they'd buy games for it.

If you don't believe this, that selling games was the most important thing, just give me ONE WAY IT COULD POSSIBLY BENEFIT THEM.

Simple question that I've been asking over and over.

I'd agree with you about the PSP and PS3, but it bit them in the ass in both of those cases. UMD tanked, and no one's buying PS3 games. It worked with PS2 because it WAS ultimately about the games in that case.

11-22-2007, 05:45 AM

But why?

True or false: If people bought the PS2 and didn't buy games for it, it would cost Sony a ton of money, not make them money.

Answer that one question and only that.

PS2 was Sony's Xbox. It existed just to get the name brand into their homes as a "Computer Entertainment System" and as more than "just a toy". You're trying to way over simplify it. If you think for a SECOND, that Sony WASN'T pushing to take over people's living rooms then you sir:
A. Were in a cave when the PS2 launched.
B. Are insanely naive.
C. Are a Sony fanboy.

So take your pick. I mean honestly Frog, if Sony came out and said they considered the PS2 more of a computer or some such nonsense. What? Did you just start paying attention after their attempts at that flopped?

Right. They did. But they did that BECAUSE they believed that once the system was in people's homes they'd buy games for it.

If you don't believe this, that selling games was the most important thing, just give me ONE WAY IT COULD POSSIBLY BENEFIT THEM.

Fine. It would benefit them because it would get the system into people's homes, generate name brand loyalty via an idea that, "Hey, this machine is my one stop for all my entertainment needs!" and give Sony the leverage to unleash a new bullshit disc format to shove down people's throats. Or do you think Sony only started working on a new disc format in 2005 or something?

Simple question that I've been asking over and over.

I'd agree with you about the PSP and PS3, but it bit them in the ass in both of those cases. UMD tanked, and no one's buying PS3 games. It worked with PS2 because it WAS ultimately about the games in that case.

Whatever dude, its apparent you were asleep when that console came out, so this is rather pointless, because you're just looking at the past two years or so, and completely ignoring the first 2-3. And I don't forsee you getting over that anytime soon.

Of course, you're not even getting my point anyways. Which, I guess for the umpteenth time I will restate it: The PS2's initial foothold only existed because it was a DVD player. If you want, go ask ANY Japanese seller why the Japanese ate that system up, and they will tell you the EXACT same thing. There was NO reason to buy that piece of shit in the first 3 years of its existence, and yet somehow it became (sadly) one of the most successful consoles ever? Yeah, a console with virtually nothing worth playing on it for 3 years did that. Yeah, it must've been all about those "games".

And I'll say THIS again, it doesn't matter HOW Sony intended to make their money. That is completely irrelevant to what I am saying. What I'm saying, is that Sony got that shitty thing in people's homes, not because it was a good console or had a great library, but on the premise that it was a DVD player, and with the INTENTION of making the Playstation brand the hub for people's entertainment centers.

Frogacuda

11-22-2007, 12:35 PM

So take your pick. I mean honestly Frog, if Sony came out and said they considered the PS2 more of a computer or some such nonsense. What? Did you just start paying attention after their attempts at that flopped?
The distinction between video game and computer game is fairly asinine at this point. They're the same fucking thing.

Fine. It would benefit them because it would get the system into people's homes, generate name brand loyalty via an idea that, "Hey, this machine is my one stop for all my entertainment needs!" and give Sony the leverage to unleash a new bullshit disc format to shove down people's throats.Clearly it didn't though. If Sony was burning money that early in anticipation of blu-Ray then it was wasted money.

Of course, you're not even getting my point anyways. Which, I guess for the umpteenth time I will restate it: The PS2's initial foothold only existed because it was a DVD player.
I've conceded this point already, but the one I think you seem to be avoiding is that they did this in the hopes of making those people into gamers. And given the PS2's attach rate, I'd say they were successful.

PS2 wasn't a trojan horse to get DVD into gamer's homes, it was a trojan horse to get games into the homes of people interested in DVDs. This is how their business model was set up, and it's also how history has played out.

And I'll say THIS again, it doesn't matter HOW Sony intended to make their money.
It does. Their business model makes their intentions transparent.

Here's something to think about: Phillips CD-i and 3DO both tried to market consoles that were also VCD players, high-end electronics, something you'd want to put in your entertainment center. Sony didn't invent that.

But those systems were sold at a profit like DVD players and other electronics. Sony's was not. Their business model depended entirely on games. Why do you think that is?

11-22-2007, 02:20 PM

The distinction between video game and computer game is fairly asinine at this point. They're the same fucking thing.

And once you again, you completely do not understand what I am saying. I'm not making a distinction between console GAMES and computer GAMES, I'm making a distinction between CONSOLES and COMPUTERS.

Clearly it didn't though. If Sony was burning money that early in anticipation of blu-Ray then it was wasted money.

What? You don't think Sony was planning on the new disc format? Are you fucking kidding me?

I've conceded this point already, but the one I think you seem to be avoiding is that they did this in the hopes of making those people into gamers. And given the PS2's attach rate, I'd say they were successful.

They did it in hopes of selling their system. They assumed people would "buy games too" if they got their system. But they still sold the system on the principle that it was a DVD player.

PS2 wasn't a trojan horse to get DVD into gamer's homes, it was a trojan horse to get games into the homes of people interested in DVDs. This is how their business model was set up, and it's also how history has played out.

Jesus Frog, I'm not saying the PS2 was a trojan horse to get DVDs into people's homes, I'm saying it was Sony's attempt to be the center of your entertainment center. Why you cannot grasp this or understand the words that I am typing is beyond me. You're consistently missing the point and making an argument that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

It does. Their business model makes their intentions transparent.

Here's something to think about: Phillips CD-i and 3DO both tried to market consoles that were also VCD players, high-end electronics, something you'd want to put in your entertainment center. Sony didn't invent that.

While I don't know enough about the CD-i to speak on it, the 3DO's primary purpose was to just be a system without licensing or something. And regardless of what failed endeavor was first, Sony was the one that made the gaming industry turn in that direction.

But those systems were sold at a profit like DVD players and other electronics. Sony's was not. Their business model depended entirely on games. Why do you think that is?

You're having a completely different argument here, and completely shit Sony themselves said. You can keep regurgitating the same shit over and over if you want, but it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

Frogacuda

11-22-2007, 02:25 PM

Jesus Frog, I'm not saying the PS2 was a trojan horse to get DVDs into people's homes, I'm saying it was Sony's attempt to be the center of your entertainment center. Why you cannot grasp this or understand the words that I am typing is beyond me.
I acknowledged that point repeatedly. I just don't like the implications you're deriving from that point, namely that it wasn't all a plan to sell games and that gaming wasn't the bottom line for PS2.

Being the center of your entertainment system would ONLY be good for Sony if that resulted in people buying more games. It was a means to an end.

Also, I do want to point out that while the DVD functionality was an attractive feature and many people DID buy it primarily as a DVD player it was never once marketed as a "DVD Player that plays games." It's called a PlayStation and every scrap of advertising and promotion for the system DID focus on games, because that's what they wanted people buying
What? You don't think Sony was planning on the new disc format? Are you fucking kidding me?
I didn't say that. I know for a fact they were. I just don't see how PS2 playing DVDs would help them launch blu-Ray 6 years down the line. If the PS2 never played DVDs and the PS3 still played DVDs and blu-Ray, would it make that a less attractive feature? I just don't follow your reasoning.

11-24-2007, 05:03 PM

My reasoning is simple:

The PS2 did as well as it did because it was a DVD player. It did not get its foothold because it was a good game console or because it had a good library of AAA titles for the first few years of its existence, it got where it got because it was a DVD player. Prior systems did well on the basis that they were videogame systems. This was not the case of the PS2.

If the PS2 had not been a DVD player, I can assure you the PS2 would not have gotten the initial lead it did. If anything, it probably wouldn't have even done well agains the DC, since the DC had GOOD GAMES whereas the PS2 DID NOT.

My point, in the most simplified form possible, is as follows:

Prior to the PS2, systems did well because of awesome game libraries. Rather, systems in their YOUTH, or right out the door, did well because of their games. You didn't buy the SNES or Genesis for features other than to play good games. Thats where it was ALL about the games. It wasn't about features xyz... it was about the GAMES. Even with the Sega CD, I doubt hardly ANYONE bought that system because it played CDs. They bought it because they wanted Sonic CD or whatever else Sega was putting on the system. Games. And even with the 3DO, I doubt very many people that have one even KNOW it plays VCDs. At least, no one I've ever talked to made mention of that feature... hell, until just now I didn't even know that. And then there's the Saturn, which I doubt anyone bought because it could play CDs or surf the internet or play VCDs with an expansion chip. No, the Japanese bought it for the games. Thats why they bought it.

Each system I just listed had fairly decent launches, games that everyone wanted upon launch. The Saturn (whether you agree or not) had Panzer Dragoon and some solid arcade ports. The SNES had Super Mario World. The Genesis... OK, I don't know what the Genesis launched with off the top of my head, but I know it got insanely successful and really started picking up steam when they packed Sonic in with it. Once again, a GAME. Systems may have other features, but their selling point was never something other than games. Well, the PS1 did well because the competition at the time was retarded, but that irrelevant.

What did the PS2 have early on? What? It launched with virtually NOTHING worth mentioning and even as it got its "big titles" like Metal Gear Solid 2 (that most people consider the black sheep of the series) and Final Fantasy X (ditto), it still didn't have a half decent selection of games in most people's opinions until far down the road. They did have EA and GTA, so I will give you that, but both of those eventually wound up elsewhere anyways. And the PS2 was just as big a hit in Japan where EA is irrelevant. Why? Why did the PS2 beat out the Dreamcast? Simple: Because it was a fucking DVD player. It was no longer about the games, maybe the idea that one might get games down the road, but rarely would someone buy a system (a casual gamer rather) for something thats "coming soon". No, people bought the PS2 in the US and Japan, because it was a DVD player, not because of its gaming merits. Because when it comes to gaming merits, the Dreamcast obliterated that piece of shit in every aspect. The Dreamcast was all about GAMES. No one bought the DC to surf the web or play CDs, those were just little extras. No, people bought the DC because they wanted to play VIDEOGAMES, not watch fucking movies. And on that premise, I hate Sony, because they made console "success" no longer about games, but about bells and whistles.

Frogacuda

11-24-2007, 05:21 PM

11-24-2007, 11:37 PM

You can't have a successful system without games. The PS2 was NOT successful before it had those big titles. It had a good launch which was boosted somewhat by DVD playback (mostly in Japan... I don't know anyone that bought one as a DVD player here). But it wasn't making money and it would have died a slow, painful death if it didn't have games to back it up.

Dude, most everyone I knew at the time that bought a PS2 did so because it was a DVD player and/or for the Playstation brand. I reiterate, the PS2 did NOT have the games to be considered a decent console by normal people until 2 years or more into its life. And it was still doing better than the Dreamcast when it came out.

Case in point: PS3.
Now if your only point is that the PS3's LAUNCH and first year it moved units despite having shit for software, I wouldn't argue. But the success of the system overall? No way. Wouldn't happen.

Domino effect. PS2 came first. A bunch of people in the US and in Japan bought it over the Dreamcast, in a lot of cases because it was also a DVD player. As these people continued to buy it more people started making games for the system. When the Xbox and Gamecube finally came out, enough people had bought the PS2 despite it not having shit to play that it already had the solid consumer base so developers made their stuff for it. This was true in the US and Japan.

Also, I'm pretty sure even if PS2 never came out, Sega would have folded on DC by the end of 02, whether they wanted to or not. They were out of money and that has more to do with Stolar than Sony.

A. Stolar came from Sony. :)
B. If Sony had never entered the ring I am fairly certain Sega would have beat out the N64 in worldwide sales with the Sega Saturn. This, of course, would've resulted in Sega remaining in the game for quite awhile longer and us having the better company still putting out quality games on their latest quality GAME CONSOLE.

SNKJorge

11-25-2007, 06:37 PM

I like the Raiden series, but I don't think I will get this.
I have Raiders Fighters Jet on PCB.

Da_Shocker

11-26-2007, 05:00 PM

I liked Raiden on the PSX it's the first PSX game I played.

On to the JP vs. Frog

JP you are still living in the late 90's. I hated Bernie with a passion but once I found out the facts there is really in no need to hate him.

The 5 Star Software policy was simply a ruse to make Sega look like they weren't gonna accept crappy third party ports anymore.

The Satrun was damn near dead when he got there. He didn't handle it well after it was killed but Sega wasn't maknig money off of it.

2D games weren't that big outside of some of the Capcom games. The best selling Saturn game was VF2 which sold like 1.7 million worldwide. Horrible numbers.

Gaming is a business first and foremost. Nintendo and Sony have both used underhanded tactics to gain a advantage but Sega would also do the same thing if they had the chance. Hell SoJ overruled just about every decision Tom Kalinkse had in regards to the Saturn.

I do remember Sony wanting the PS2 to be an entertainment hub but would'nt ever console maker prefer that you play our games instead of watching TV or doing other things.

JP why do ignore the Nintendo 64? It was overhyped had a few good games and the PSX killed it as far as quality games is concerned.

JP have you ever looked at all of Sega's sale from every sysytem? The only games that sales are Sonic games and a few sequels. Look at how bad the Shenmue series did. It cost Sega 40 million to do that game yet they never broke even on that game and that was probably why they let MS put out Shenmue 2 here.

Frogacuda

01-26-2009, 09:11 PM

http://www.amazon.com/Raiden-Fighter-Aces-Xbox-360/dp/B001PA0FBS/ref=sr_1_74?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1232993175&sr=1-74

Day motherfucking one. Price is even great.

01-26-2009, 10:08 PM

Damn you! I was just coming here to post this!

Anyways, yeah, all you fuckers better go buy this. Raiden Fighters Aces is some of the best shmupping you can get.

I'll definitely be picking up a second copy just to support the scene. :)

Frogacuda

01-26-2009, 10:29 PM

Yeah, man for $30 for arcade perfect ports of 3 games that never had home versions and every option you could ask for? How can you not?

Luminous

01-27-2009, 07:49 AM

Yeah, man for $30 for arcade perfect ports of 3 games that never had home versions and every option you could ask for? How can you not?

Don't kill me, but I am just not a shmup fan. Most likely because I am not all that good at them.

*hides from JP's wrath* *runs away*

Hunter

01-27-2009, 03:59 PM

I am not a shmup person, but I love the Raiden Series. This will be mine.

KANG the Crybaby

01-27-2009, 05:42 PM

I don't play shooters anymore. But this is extremely cool that this is getting a release here.

Da_Shocker

01-27-2009, 11:02 PM

29.99 isn't a bad price either beats paying 59.99 by a large margin.

DarthArcturus

01-28-2009, 02:14 AM

wow we are getting it awesome..I'll buy it for sure

DarthArcturus

02-24-2009, 09:07 PM

can anyone tell me how they expect to sell this game well with this shitty box art: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JaB4c1irL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Raiden-Fighter-Aces-Xbox-360/dp/B001PA0FBS

Frogacuda

02-24-2009, 10:03 PM

It's more or less just the Japanese box art with some colorization and some extra gunfire and motion blur photoshopped in. I don't find it terribly offensive.

http://ucables.com/img/ipics/RAIDEN-FIGHTERS-ACES-R73642.jpg

02-24-2009, 10:19 PM

I need to pre-order this. :nod:

DarthArcturus

02-24-2009, 10:32 PM

I dunno it just makes it look like some silly toy plane flying around :shrug:

Frogacuda

02-24-2009, 11:01 PM

Not seeing it. The dropshadow should go, though. But again, I never thought twice about it. Looks fine to me.

Da_Shocker

04-12-2009, 02:54 AM

this game got delayed but Amazon has it for 19.99.

Frogacuda

04-12-2009, 03:25 AM

None of the other places are showing the price drop, even though they have the new date, but Amazon was the first place to list the game, so I'm inclined to believe it.

Da_Shocker

04-12-2009, 09:08 AM

http://www.amazon.com/Raiden-Fighter-Aces-Xbox-360/dp/B001PA0FBS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1239512043&sr=8-1

Why did it get delayed anyways? I jsut looked at the prices of the import version and there high as hell some like 3X the price over here and the soundtrack is like 50 dollars or so.

Frogacuda

04-12-2009, 05:00 PM

Delays like this are pretty common when we're talking about very small, fairly inexperienced publishers like Valcom.

And yeah, these games sell for more in Japan, because people in Japan actually remember and like the Raiden series. It's totally worth more than $20. All three of these games are fantastic, I played the hell out of them in the arcades.

Da_Shocker

04-12-2009, 09:50 PM

I will certainly be picking this title up. I wish the 360 would get some Neo-Geo ports to other than what they have on XBLA. I'd luv to see Sengoku 3

Frogacuda

05-08-2009, 06:17 PM

Out now. You buy.

Hunter

05-08-2009, 07:23 PM

Awesome, gonna pick this up. Thanks for the heads up.

Newport420

05-08-2009, 07:37 PM

Didn't see this at Best Buy yet. Of course it also took them an ass long time to get Retro Game Challenge in too. Of course Fry's was there to save me. They are the biggest store I know that carries as much import and off the wall stuff as they do.

I'll keep an eye out for this.

Frogacuda

05-08-2009, 08:37 PM

Should have mentioned, it's only out at Gamestop right now. Other places have it listed for tuesday

Hunter

05-08-2009, 09:37 PM

Yeah, i noticed that. Made no sense to me, but I don't care, I ordered it on amazon lol.

Hunter

05-20-2009, 05:43 PM

So I got this last week. Tons of fun. Although not quite the Raiden I'm used to. I dislike the lack of weapon choices.

Frogacuda

05-20-2009, 06:33 PM

So I got this last week. Tons of fun. Although not quite the Raiden I'm used to. I dislike the lack of weapon choices.

Lack of weapon choices? Every plane has two and there's like 20 fucking planes.

Hunter

05-20-2009, 07:55 PM

Thats my problem, weapon choices are based on what plane you choose. In the old game, you had three weapon and two missile choices, regardless of which plane. I guess, i'm just used to the old game. I liked being able to switch between the three on the fly.

Frogacuda

05-20-2009, 10:37 PM

Well the original Raiden only had 2 choices, same as RF, and also the classic Raidens required so many power ups to reach full that it wasn't beneficial to waste pickups on switching.

That said, these games aren't Raiden. They have some things in common with them (just as Viper Phase 1 and other Seibu games did), but they really had the name slapped on them as an afterthought. It was originally going to be called Gun Dogs. Enjoy the games for what they are. They have a lot of ways to play and much better scoring hooks than the classic Raiden games. I think they're more enjoyable overall.

Oh, and I did a review:http://www.the-nextlevel.com/review/360/raiden-fighters-aces

SPYvsSPY

05-21-2009, 12:18 AM

Just seen Raiden Fighters Collection the other day, will buy on friday! only know of 2 copies in this town :| both at gamestops.

Newport420

05-21-2009, 01:10 PM

Only copy I found was used... ie they took it out of the fucking box. :(

KANG the Crybaby

05-21-2009, 06:20 PM

does this have acheivements?

Frogacuda

05-21-2009, 06:25 PM

It's an Xbox 360 game. They're all required to have achievements.

koda

05-21-2009, 06:26 PM

does this have acheivements?
Doesn't every 360 game? I think it's a requirement.

They're definitely in there.

edit: too late.

ShinobiWan1

05-21-2009, 07:29 PM

I wonder if there's a game that doesn't...hmmmm oh wait the Burger King games had achievements too. Nevermind!

Hunter

05-21-2009, 08:30 PM

Microsoft requires it. If you're game doesn't have achievements, it's not going on 360.

KANG the Crybaby

05-21-2009, 08:43 PM

I just picked it up, my buddies gamestop had 1 copy, and with his managers discount i got it for 15 bucks, woot.

Frogacuda

05-21-2009, 08:49 PM

Hunter

05-21-2009, 08:50 PM

It's tons of fun, and this is from someone who doesn't like shmups.

koda

05-21-2009, 09:02 PM

I just had an amazing run, 1cc'd the whole game, 106 million... and then I realized I had accidentally set it to "easy." Son of a bitch.

I want to crack jp's score. I think I can do it with a little work.
I'm assuming that this is RFJ? Why don't you play Live so you can touch down on the boards?

Frogacuda

05-21-2009, 09:14 PM

I'm assuming that this is RFJ? Why don't you play Live so you can touch down on the boards?

Yeah, RFJ. And I have mostly been playing Live, I'm in the top 20, I just chose the wrong thing that time. Right now my highest completed score is 45 mill, but I'm going to smash that sometime tonight. I've managed to cross 35 mill by the time I start the fourth stage, but I keep restarting because I'm being a perfectionist.

I'm really starting to get my groove back with this game. I was rusty at first, but now I'm about caught up and I think soon I will surpass my old scores.

koda

05-21-2009, 10:44 PM

How the fuck do you collect the medals that follow you around? I finally managed to get one all the way upgraded (pretty sure), then I spent the rest of the level trying to swing it into my ship. No dice, I think it just disappeared eventually. Funny how every time I'm trying to avoid scooping them up I can't, and then when I actually want the thing I can't get it.

That's pretty much why I've been spending all my time with RF1. I'm sure it's easy and I'm just lame, but it feels like the focus of RFJ is on babysitting those, which I'm obviously not very good at.

Frogacuda

05-21-2009, 11:27 PM

How the fuck do you collect the medals that follow you around? I finally managed to get one all the way upgraded (pretty sure), then I spent the rest of the level trying to swing it into my ship.
You're using the slave, aren't you? When the slave gets its own slave ships, they behave slightly differently. After you get two slave ships, subsequent slave icons will randomly change the slave's formation during charge shot. But since the playable slave doesn't have a charge shot, these icons will change the formation of your slaves for the whole time.

Now, this normally isn't an issue, but one of the formations (the one where both slaves are way in front of your ship) will keep the floating medal out of reach. It's annoying, and the only way to fix it is to get another slave icon. Or just, you know... play as a different ship. That said, it's an easily avoided issue. Just don't collect extra slave icons over 2 until you've unlocked X-Medals.

but it feels like the focus of RFJ is on babysitting those, which I'm obviously not very good at.
Once you get good enough, you can kill the floating medals by the end of the first level and never have to worry about them again.

koda

05-21-2009, 11:33 PM

Oh, gotcha. Yeah, that's exactly what happened... thanks for explaining it, now I can resume playing.

KANG the Crybaby

05-22-2009, 12:13 AM

I think I suck at this, can I have you guys live names? I wanna see your scores.

koda

05-22-2009, 12:51 AM

I think I suck at this, can I have you guys live names? I wanna see your scores.
Koda Collider

I'm nowhere near contending for most of the boards. I have a good RF1 Score Attack score (#3 last I checked), and I might still be on the top screen for RF1 Boss Rush, but I'm pretty scrub-tastic when it comes to Arcade. No 1CC's for me just yet.

Frogacuda

05-22-2009, 01:34 AM

I think I suck at this, can I have you guys live names? I wanna see your scores.
Frogacuda

I've only really been playing Jet, apart from a couple token runs, though. I just cracked 56 million, which means I've officially outscored jp at a shmup that he likes. Woot!

Ironically I died way early in that run too. I lost a life in level 3 and decided to roll with it and then I died completely early in whatever the stage before Phase 1 is called.

DarthArcturus

05-22-2009, 02:05 AM

I need to get this game.. I have a gift card from hastings that I got today trading in gears of bore 2. I did not see this game there but didn't really have it in mind. I'm going back there tomorrow to look again

koda

05-22-2009, 02:21 AM

Well, I improved from like #200-something to #36, so that definitely helped. I'm still far from being any good, but I feel like now that I "get it", the potential is there. Seems like you really do need to get those medals out of the way on the first stage to wind up with a decent score.

Not dying like an asshole helps too. :~

KANG the Crybaby

05-22-2009, 02:54 AM

I'm ranked like 46# for a certain ship in arcade mode ranked match. But I think it's because they haven't sold many copies, lol.

Frogacuda

05-22-2009, 03:04 AM

#46 for a ship is shit, heh. Especially if it's not a popular ship.

KANG the Crybaby

05-22-2009, 01:11 PM

how the hell do you keep score attack going? i always run out of time right after the first stage.

Frogacuda

05-22-2009, 01:26 PM

No idea the exact mechanism, just play better, really. When you're doing well and getting more points, it seems to last longer.

koda

05-22-2009, 02:32 PM

I think it's different for each game, because the time doesn't increase in RF1 Score Attack as far as I know. It's just about getting quick shots, destroying two+ at a time, and finding all the hidden bonus points. You should have about seven seconds going into stage 2, which is plenty of time to grab all five of the hidden miclus guys right at the beginning of the level.

You can watch replays of the top ten runs on each board, and that helps immensely.

Hunter

05-22-2009, 02:58 PM

KANG the Crybaby

05-22-2009, 03:32 PM

lol. I need to learn how these games work. I've never understood shmups, which is maybe why I've always sucked at them. I just shoot everything that moves. Don't really think about scoring or whatever.

Me too, I kinda thought that was the point.

I don't understand "play better" in score attack. I don't die, and shoot everything and get every medal, still my score sucks.

I'm liking the acheivements though, I have ten so far, working on the 50 million one next.

DarthArcturus

05-22-2009, 04:07 PM

that's one thing I do not like either. But at the same time if the scoring system is too simple (ie just points for the amount you kill) then the game would get pretty old fast. There needs to be some kind of playing style that promotes better scores.

KANG the Crybaby

05-22-2009, 04:09 PM

I really hope this isn't some Rez scoring bullshit, I hated that damn game, it was nothing more than a light show, the gameplay was garbage IMO.

koda

05-22-2009, 04:15 PM

I really hope this isn't some Rez scoring bullshit, I hated that damn game, it was nothing more than a light show, the gameplay was garbage IMO.
Those are fighting words right there.

What's "Rez scoring bullshit"? What do you want this to be? You can play for survival if you like that more, or you can learn how to play for points if you like that more. It is what it is. If you don't like collecting faeries and shit, just try to beat the games without dying.

KANG the Crybaby

05-22-2009, 05:40 PM

long story short, I don't like rez, to me it's a pretty light show (I still own it on DC).
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I just mimicked frog's game and hit 9.7 mill in Jet score attack, currently ranked 9th.

One question, how in the hell is the first ranked guy that high? He's at like 93 mill, I watched his video, and it seems like he has unlimited bombs, wtf?

Frogacuda

05-22-2009, 05:49 PM

There are so many extra bombs if you're not wasting them by dying.

And Scoreplay is nothing like in Rez. It's all about maxing out your medals as soon as possible, and milking the Destroyed at a time bonues and micluses. Once you learn that it's not super involved once you hit later stages.

Hunter

05-22-2009, 05:51 PM

You may as well be speaking a different language. :p

Frogacuda

05-22-2009, 07:28 PM

You may as well be speaking a different language. :p

Ok, you want me to explain RFJ?

Quick Shot: You get these bonuses for destroying certain large enemies shortly after they appear on screen. Scoring quickshots in rapid succession will also yield a multiplayer, and getting all the quick shots in some stages will open up other incentives, including extra key enemies and faeries.

Destroyed at a time: Certain key enemies (for example the tanks in the first level, or the guns on most bosses) will give you a score bonus if you're able to destroy them at almost the exact same time. This generally involves weakening all of them and then dropping a bomb or just shooting them down together.

Medals:At the start of the game, medals are all worth 100 points. Medals from ground targets stay put, but ones from sky targets fall slowly off the screen. If you have a slave ship (which you get from the S icon), you can make the flying medals follow you. They'll float around your slave automatically. You can merge these medals by guiding them over top of other medals. The medal will get larger and larger until it reaches its biggest form, at which point it's worth 2 million points.

After you collect one of the largest medals, you want to get nine medals on screen. You can do this any way you like, but obviously to do it you want to avoid collecting medals or having one following you. Once 9 appear on screen, they'll explode, and all future medals will be X-Medals.

X-Medals are initially worth 10,000 points each, but they can be leveled up to 10x that. Each time you clear all the medals on screen (regardless of how many that is) they'll go up a level, and each time you let a medal fall off the bottom of the screen, they go back down to 10,000. To rank them up quickly, you want to reveal the medals one at a time and collect them quickly. With the miclus, you can to this by hovering right over it when no other medals are on screen and shooting it to make it fire medals into you, quickly ranking them up.

Miclus: The Miclus is a little blue dragon that, when shot, spits out medals, and also awards a bonus. You can reveal Micluses by hovering over certain spots until they come out of hiding.

Faeries: Faeries are bonuses that drop power ups and need to be collected, but are very vulnerable to destruction. They appear when certain conditions are met, which vary, but generally involve pretty intuitive stuff like getting a lot of quick shot bonuses or whatever.

I don't know what it's called but you also get a bonus for letting bullets buzz you without hitting you.

koda

05-22-2009, 08:55 PM

Quick Shot: You get these bonuses for destroying certain large enemies shortly after they appear on screen. Scoring quickshots in rapid succession will also yield a multiplayer, and getting all the quick shots in some stages will open up other incentives, including extra key enemies and faeries.
Quick note on this -- I'm fairly certain that as long as you destroy the enemy before it fires it will qualify as a 'Quick Shot'. Sometimes this means killing it immediately, and sometimes you're able to let it sit on screen for a little while. As long as it doesn't shoot any bullets off.

I don't know what it's called but you also get a bonus for letting bullets buzz you without hitting you.
Really? I didn't know that. I don't think I've ever seen it happen... unless there's no indication that you got it, or it's really subtle and I just don't know what to look for.

Frogacuda

05-22-2009, 09:20 PM

Really? I didn't know that. I don't think I've ever seen it happen... unless there's no indication that you got it, or it's really subtle and I just don't know what to look for.

There's no on screen text to indicate it, no.

The Skies

05-23-2009, 01:22 AM

I keep shooting the stupid faries! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! its annoying me! Plus, on score attack online, i keep running out of time, is there a way to add more time, im not fallowing that.

KANG the Crybaby

05-23-2009, 01:26 AM

I'm starting to get the hang of this, the easiest way is to just watch the top ranked videos. Koda you have some nice scores, especially in raiden fighters (first game), I'm ranked 10th in score attack for raiden fighters 2, and ranked 9 in Jet.
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I keep shooting the stupid faries! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! its annoying me! Plus, on score attack online, i keep running out of time, is there a way to add more time, im not fallowing that.

get micluses like crazy, easy shots, and chains, and medals. you can stretch your time out like crazy.

KANG the Crybaby

05-23-2009, 03:21 AM

I just had the run of my night on Jet score attack, 10.9 million, I'm mad though because I fucked up a few miclus spots. Sorry for bumping you down to 8th, frog. rofl.

I really feel like I can hit 15 or 20 million on Jet with a bit of practice, I wanna break through the main point wall that those first two guys have with over 50 million.

Frogacuda

05-23-2009, 03:59 AM

I don't really like/get Score Attack mode, but I went ahead and smashed your score just to be a dick.

KANG the Crybaby

05-23-2009, 04:30 AM

I don't really like/get Score Attack mode, but I went ahead and smashed your score just to be a dick.

That's kewl. I don't even play shmups. The last one I actually played was Ikaruga on the DC. But I just shattered your score and got 19 million, and I fucked up at least 3 times. I should be able to hit 25 million by tomorrow. rofl.

Try to keep beating me though, we should be able to drive each others scores up super high. I need motivation to play games like this.

KANG the Crybaby

05-23-2009, 05:27 AM

Man, part 2 score attack is fun as hell, I finally broke through a barrier and am ranked 5th. Once you get to the second level with at least 8-10 seconds left, there is a shitload of miclus spots that can keep your time going for the whole level, the 1st ranked dude is crazy.

Frogacuda

05-23-2009, 06:47 AM

That's kewl. I don't even play shmups. The last one I actually played was Ikaruga on the DC. But I just shattered your score and got 19 million, and I fucked up at least 3 times. I should be able to hit 25 million by tomorrow. rofl.

Try to keep beating me though, we should be able to drive each others scores up super high. I need motivation to play games like this.
I'll try to drop some score attack runs in there, but most of my time is focused on the big game, normal difficulty. I haven't hit my wall yet, and I keep making a lot of progress in RFJ, especially. I broke 65 million, which was my goal for the weekend, and I feel like I can hit 70 soon. When I stop making progress, I'll probably move on.

KANG the Crybaby

05-23-2009, 12:50 PM

I have ADD, so I can barely sit still long enough to beat one of the three games, score attack is a godsend.

KANG the Crybaby

05-23-2009, 07:28 PM

I hit 11 million on Raiden Fighters 2 score attack. I was around 4 million like everyone else, and then the top 3 guys are all over 20 million. I was trying to mimick their medal multipliers but can;t start it as early as they can. I am the only one over 10 million besides the top 3 20 million guys, this is driving me crazy.

The Skies

05-23-2009, 07:36 PM

KANG the Crybaby

05-23-2009, 07:39 PM

The miclus or whatever still doesn't play in my game, i need to figure that out, i watched one of the videos of frog doing that, but i hover in that spot and nothing? I just dont get that part of it, lol.

it's a precise spot for about 1.5 seconds and he will come out, you'll hear the trigger sound when you've done it, just practice. it's so easy once you understand how it works. you need those guys, especially in score attack, they extend your time like crazy.

The Skies

05-23-2009, 07:43 PM

Alrighty, i'll keep practicing with it.

DarthArcturus

05-24-2009, 06:51 PM

I haven't had a chance to seriously sit down with this game thanks to m2d :p

KANG the Crybaby

05-26-2009, 04:19 PM

I just got a few hidden acheivements, one for getting shot down 256 times (0 points, rofl), one for 6 hours of play time, and one for 12 hours of play time.

I also just hit #2 rank on score attack for raiden fighters 2, I am like a couple thousand points behind the first place guy, and I messed up a few times, I should be able to shatter his score later today. But he misses some points in his video, maybe on purpose? I'm sure he has a better score waiting if someone tops him. Anyway, this game is addicting as hell, best 20 bucks i've spent in a long time.

KANG the Crybaby

05-26-2009, 04:55 PM

woot, just hit first place in raiden fighters 2 score attack, 27 million. I think I can hit 30, i messed up a couple times and died once.

DarthArcturus

05-26-2009, 05:04 PM

Frogacuda

05-26-2009, 05:25 PM

I am starting to figure out the more advance scoring bonuses now...this game was totally a steal at 20 bucks. This is one of the best collections of classic gaming I have ever seen. So many different things you can do with it not to mention the games still hold up today.

Yeah, I'd have gladly paid full price. That said, most retro compilations have a lot more than 3 games and more in the way of bonus content (art galleries, interviews, etc), so I get why they wanted a low price point to get around those perceptions.

Still my second favorite shooter compilation, behind only Fantasy Zone Complete

KANG the Crybaby

05-26-2009, 05:43 PM

I am starting to figure out the more advance scoring bonuses now...

Yep, I was confused as hell at first. I haven't played a raiden game since the old PS1 port in the 90s. But the scoring system in this game is very exact and really well done, all you have to do is learn how to get the 100k medals going, and then don't miss any medals and you score goes crazy.

The video playbacks are a god send, so good for learning the higher level play tactics.

Now that I've hit 1# in RF2 score attack I'm gonna work on my score in Jet, which sucks right now, but I should be able to hit the 80-90 million level the first 2 guys have, all they do is start their 100k bonus super early and keep it while hitting all the miclus spots, this game is all about memorization and putting together runs.
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i finally got that damn faeries acheivement, so I can stop looking for those fuckers.

KANG the Crybaby

05-28-2009, 06:52 PM

I've only got a few acheivements left, and will hit my first 1000/1000 game.

Frogacuda

05-28-2009, 06:56 PM

That 100,000,000 is going to be a tough one.

Newport420

05-28-2009, 09:05 PM

I should be getting a copy of this for me B-Day... which is tomorrow! ;)

KANG the Crybaby

05-28-2009, 10:16 PM

That 100,000,000 is going to be a tough one.

Nah, it's not hard. You just have to play the normal game like score attack and get the 100k going as early as possible + hit every miclus. It's all memorization.

It's like Jet score attack, my score is shit, like 19 million, and everyone except the tope 2 guys are under 30 million, those are also shit scores. Because they aren't starting the 100k chain + getting all the miclus the right way, other wise you'd be 70-90 million.

I've maxed out my Raiden Fighters 2 score attack score at 31 million, i'm ranked 1#, unless anyone beats me with something I haven't discovered, I'm done. I'm doing the first game next, and will move to Jet, last.

Frogacuda

05-28-2009, 10:27 PM

Nah, it's not hard. You just have to play the normal game like score attack and get the 100k going as early as possible + hit every miclus. It's all memorization.
You know the regular game has like 1/10th as many micluses as the score attack game, right? In Jet (the only game where people have gotten 100 mill+ scores) a lot of the later levels don't even have them. You have to pretty much beat the game (or at least hit the last level, if you're good) and that takes some reflexes, not just memorization.

And don't tell me it's easy to get 100,000,000 when your highest score is still like 30. There's more to it than you seem to think. Hitting faeries with a maxed multiplier are worth as much or more than micluses

KANG the Crybaby

05-29-2009, 03:47 AM

You know the regular game has like 1/10th as many micluses as the score attack game, right? In Jet (the only game where people have gotten 100 mill+ scores) a lot of the later levels don't even have them. You have to pretty much beat the game (or at least hit the last level, if you're good) and that takes some reflexes, not just memorization.

And don't tell me it's easy to get 100,000,000 when your highest score is still like 30. There's more to it than you seem to think. Hitting faeries with a maxed multiplier are worth as much or more than micluses

Hey negative nancy, I don't play all my games online so they aren't recorded. And really only play score attack for the moment. So save the nerd rage info for someone who cares, I know how this game works. And my score in Jet is like 49 million online, don't know where you got 30 from. And I've only run through Jet once in arcade and expert modes to get the acheivement.

Frogacuda

05-29-2009, 03:55 AM

How many 1# ranks do you have? Yeah, zero. You're so good!
I'm not the one calling the 100 mill achievement easy. Also the only score chart I've actually put more than 3 or 4 attempts into is the Jet main game. I don't really like the score attack that much and there isn't as much competition there.

I'm not saying you suck, I'm just saying you are in no position to call the 100 million achievement easy since only 6 people have it and you're not one of them. I'm not one of them either (I did do a 106 mill on easy but it didn't count).

ShinobiWan1

05-29-2009, 08:08 AM

I love shooters but I get so lost and die. But they're awesome and fun

05-29-2009, 04:51 PM

*imagines what the US high scores table looks like compared to the JP score table*

I know the JP score table isn't a pretty sight. :frown:

And I can't mess with the US one because the game is f'ing region locked. Oh irony... :lol:

DarthArcturus

05-29-2009, 05:52 PM

Are there even 1000 people on the entire score board yet? Last I checked it was in the 800s. Kinda nice though since its so easy to get into the top 200. Also cool to see people here being in the top 25. Its also very nice to not have some insane pzykotikjp score on there

The Skies

05-29-2009, 09:44 PM

Now that I got the game, I need to push more on it and try for those bonus points and see what I can do now, I still dont get how alot of the bonuses work and can only find a few miclouses things, but i'll keep playing to get higher on the board, especially on the first two. Jet is my favorite though.

Its super nice not seeing some jerk named JP above me! :p

Of course there are a few games still that he is below me. ;)

When I get into a game like this, look out! I usually can put up some damaging numbers, so we'll see what I do in the next few days! If i play it much that is, now that im home, i hate games again. :\

Da_Shocker

05-30-2009, 07:12 PM

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KANG the Crybaby

05-30-2009, 11:13 PM

well I am finally not sucking at Jet so much, I hit 54 million in arcade mode, and hit 3rd ranked on Jet score attack with 50 something million, I should be able to hit the 80-90 million level in Jet score attack with a little more practice.

i still suck at the first game, I can't seem to break 7th-8th rank in score attack, Koda (I think it's Koda) had a really good score in that game's score attack, he's ranked like 3rd. I see the videos, but I just can't get it to click.
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anyone have raiden trad on the genny? ive been busting it out lately.

koda

05-31-2009, 01:12 AM

i still suck at the first game, I can't seem to break 7th-8th rank in score attack, Koda (I think it's Koda) had a really good score in that game's score attack, he's ranked like 3rd. I see the videos, but I just can't get it to click.
Yeah, I want to get first back, but the attempts will have to wait a week.

KANG the Crybaby

05-31-2009, 10:13 PM

finally got the 24 hour play-time acheivement. gonna be a long wait for the 48 hour one, the 96 hour one is just crazy!

Newport420

06-01-2009, 01:27 PM

Well I dabled a bit this weekend after I got the game... I SUCK! :p

I need to watch a video or two to pick up on soem of the techniques you guys are talking about. Also whats a good ship to use?

koda

06-01-2009, 01:46 PM

I need to watch a video or two to pick up on soem of the techniques you guys are talking about. Also whats a good ship to use?
Probably Judge Spear, or one of the slave ships that you can access by pressing fire+bomb simultaneously with the ship selected. There's another one in Jet that's popular too, I think it's called Ixion.

KANG the Crybaby

06-01-2009, 10:09 PM

i just broke through the fucking threshhold in Jet, 81 million in score attack. you have to 1cc it and hit every bonus to get enough time to get that far. I am so fucking happy you don't even know...

KANG the Crybaby

06-04-2009, 03:23 AM

finally got the 10,000,000 bonus points achievement. i grazed a lot of bullets for that bitch, now i'm at 920/1,000 points, only big one left is the 100 million one.

KANG the Crybaby

06-07-2009, 04:46 AM

Some of my Raiden Fighters Aces top scores.

Raiden Fighters score attack mode:

http://www.snapdrive.net/files/479180/1scoreattack.jpg

It's a tough level to perfect, but I should hit 5 million very soon, this is the only level I'm playing right now...

My Raiden Fighters 2 score attack mode:

http://www.snapdrive.net/files/479180/2scoreattack.jpg

If anyone passes me I have a Billy Mitchell style high score waiting in the wings...

My Jet score attack score:

http://www.snapdrive.net/files/479180/jetscoreattack.jpg

Doing a run of this in Jet is mind-numbing as fuck, it honestly hurts my head, I don't know if I will make another run at beating this score (or catching the top guy).

JP, can you post a screen grab of the japanese score tables??