IGN Top 25 Dreamcast Games

[Bruhaha69]

These guys are fucking idiots and I say this solely because they decided NOT to include Shenmue. I fucking shit you not, they created this list just to slap a Sega fan in the mouth one more time, those belligerent, Nintendo loving mutha fuckas.

Here's the top 25 link:

http://games.ign.com/articles/102/1021451p1.html

They then posted an article to DEFEND why they didn't include Shenmue. Fuckin L, if I had 2 cinder blocks, Matt Cassamina, Hilary Goldstein, Peer Schneider (the fuck is this idiot?) and that giant skulled David Clayman's (not to be confused with the cool character Klaymen) heads right here alongside each other, I would SMASH them together with said cinder blocks. Peer Schneider....THERE WERE NO COKE CANS IN THE GAME!!! Only in "What's Shenmue?". JET COLA MUTHA FUCKA! Makes me wonder if he even played the game.

What the fuck are they talking about? I played Shenmue. I loved Shenmue. It did so many things that we had yet to see in games and it did them so very right. Sure there were a lot of things that needed improvements and actually got them in the sequel, but there's no denying that Shenmue was an excellent game for its time. It IS one of the DC's best games and one of the best games OF ALL FUCKING TIME! Fucking IGN even rated it a 9.7 (http://dreamcast.ign.com/articles/164/164499p1.html) when it came out!! It's #3 out of 814 Dc games on Gamestats.com!!!

Here's their retarded defense of not including Shenmue:

http://games.ign.com/articles/102/1023747p1.html

Frog? Did Levi not include Shenmue in his top DC list? I only ask because they state that none of their DC fanboy editors wanted it there, yet only the above 4 assholes commented on why it wasn't there. This fuckin article has me all fired up. Fuck IGN

[Frogacuda]

Peer Schneider (the fuck is this idiot?)
He's the founder and president of IGN. He's not editorial staff.


Frog? Did Levi not include Shenmue in his top DC list? I only ask because they state that none of their DC fanboy editors wanted it there, yet only the above 4 assholes commenting on why it isn't there. This fuckin article has me all fired up. Fuck IGN
I don't think Levi was involved with that article at all. I don't know how they came up with it, frankly.

And Shenmue aside, did you notice they left off both Sonic Adventure games, too? It's clearly the consensus of a small elitist few. Hilary is pretty infamous for thinking his opinion is fact and berating people who don't agree with it, which makes him not much fun to work for. At least they had the balls to defend the Shenmue decision, but they didn't even acknowledge the Sonic thing.

[DarthArcturus]

Marvel vs. Capcom 2 is the best dreamcast game? :-/

IGN has become a complete joke (other than when they let frog publish his stuff) and I really don't care what any of those dumbasses say.

It does suck that people who never played dreamcast will just assume it was only a failed attempt and won't bother playing it based on the negative media coverage of it.

[Frogacuda]

There are some huge MvC fanboys at IGN. It didn't entirely surprise me.

[YankeeH8er]

It is silly to me to make a top 25 DC list, it just wasnt out long enough to have 25 really great games. They should have stuck to top 10, and put Skies number 1.

[Frogacuda]

It is silly to me to make a top 25 DC list, it just wasnt out long enough to have 25 really great games. They should have stuck to top 10, and put Skies number 1.
Oh shut the fuck up.

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I was hoping to sell IGN on a "Top 10 DC exclusives" feature that would only cover games that never got ported to any other system (besides arcades), but they did this thing instead. *sigh*

[Bruhaha69]

O, I figured Levi was in it since he had a comment for JGR at #2. Maybe they just wanted to throw him a comment bone considering he's the retro guy.

Yeah, I noticed a lack of SA games....another slap in the face. Both of those are excellent games, too. IGN and Hilary in particular are fucking idiots. That guy needs to be fired and/or executed.

There are plenty of great games on DC, Yankee. In its short 2 years, I got more enjoyment out of that system than consoles I own twice the games for (Xbox, 360, Playstation 2). It definitely had quality over quantity.

[Wildcat]

Color me unsurprised. I hate IGN. I'll look at the list later, but I'm not expecting it to be all that awesome. Shenmue SHOULD be on there for what it brought to the table (I haven't played it yet, myself, but I do know how unique and important it was), as should at least one of the Sonic games (the first in my opinion is better). And I like MVC2, but it was not the best thing on the DC by a long shot.

[DarthArcturus]

and IGN still continues to ignore imports, which was super easy to do on dreamcast. Rez and Shenmue 2 easily make a top 25 list. You can argue Border Down and Under Defeat too.

[jp]

If we had a kudos system I would totally give Frog like 20 for his last post. Hahahaha! Greatness.


Anyways, its IGN, what do you expect? They're fucking morons (for the most part). Any list they try to construct is pure fail.


As for Mr. Yankeedoodle, here's a list of "great Dreamcast games" that will go on until I get bored (which, I'm at work, so don't hold your breath(:
01. Border Down
02. Under Defeat
03. Mars Matrix
04. Giga Wing
05. Giga Wing 2
06. Armada
07. Shenmue
08. Shenmue II
09. Samba de Amigo
10. Jet Set Radio
11. Frame Gride
12. Alien Front Online
13. Phantasy Star Online
14. Sonic Adventure
15. Sonic Adventure 2
16. Skies of Arcadia
17. Grandia II
18. Cosmic Smash
19. Rez
20. House of the Dead 2
21. Soul Calibur
22. Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves
23. Marvel vs. Capcom
24. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
25. Sword of the Berserk
26. Tech Romancer
27. Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram
28. Power Stone
29. Power Stone 2
30. Starlancer
31. Crazy Taxi
32. Crazy Taxi 2
33. Headhunter
34. NFL2k
35. NFL2K1
36. NFL2K2
37. Sega Marine Fishing
38. Airforce Delta
39. Tokyo Xtreme Racer
40. Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2
41. Toy Commander
42. Seaman
43. Psychic Force 2012
44. Silver
45. Re-Volt
46. Resident Evil: Code Veronica
47. Ooga Booga
48. Re-Volt
49. MDK2
50. Bangai-O
51. Ikaruga
52. Daytona USA
53. Sega GT
54. Napple Tale

And though they didn't get much critical acclaim, I loved the following games:
Carrier, Blue Stinger, Illbleed, Sonic Shuffle, Spawn: In the Demon's Hand, Slave Zero, Evolution 1 and 2, Lack of Love, Godzilla Generations, Godzilla Generations: Maximum Impact, Time Stalkers, and Evil Twin. And probably more, but there was such a constant stream of good shit on the DC its impossible for me to remember it all.

Regardless, I still stand by the fact that the Dreamcast was the last great console. Everything thats come after it has been completely unable to even compare with the Dreamcast's 2 YEARS! Fuck outta here with that "Not enough time" shit, go play some grey/brown FPS where you shoot generic enemy #209843208934.

[YankeeH8er]

I think you are confusing good with great, I dont even think the original XBOX had 25 great games, even though it was light years ahead of the DC.

[jp]

No, I made it a point to not include "good" games. Otherwise Blue Stinger, Carrier, etc. would have been on the list.


Nice try though kiddo. And the Xbox is lightyears ahead of the DC? Well, I guess if you have a taste for generic 3D shooting games you might have a point...

[jp]

OK OK, you're sorta right Yankee. Scratch Re-Volt and Psychic Force 2012 off the list. Those were just good.


The rest? Great. And there were some Greats I missed as well. :)

[Bruhaha69]

Good posting, JP.

[Frogacuda]

and IGN still continues to ignore imports, which was super easy to do on dreamcast. Rez and Shenmue 2 easily make a top 25 list. You can argue Border Down and Under Defeat too.
Yeah, I do wonder if this makes sense for a web site with an obviously international audience to do. I kind of understand in some cases, but it feels wrong here.

But I don't think it's because they're ignorant of imports as much as some kind of policy that shouldn't be relevant here.

And there were some Greats I missed as well. :)
You still left off a lot of really good stuff, like Red Dog, Chu Chu Rocket, all four Sakura Taisen games, Project Justice, Space Channel 5 Part 2.

Sakura Taisen 3, PJ, and SC5-2 are absolute top-tier classics, even if you want to keep a high standard.

P.S. So now Jp admits Under Defeat is great? ;)

[Bruhaha69]

Well, it wasn't his cup of tea, but he knew it was quality.

[jp]

Well, it wasn't his cup of tea, but he knew it was quality.

This.


I also hated Ikaruga, but I still understand that its a damn good game.

[DarthArcturus]

your list rules JP not much else to add.

[koda]

:slow:

[Hunter]

I would add Hydro Thunder, Rush 2049, and Trickstyle to that list, but I know a lot of people would disagree with Trickstyle, and maybe the other two. Personally I also thought Super Runabout SF Edition was great. Spent so many hours on that.

[lordsnarf]

Soul Reaver? Really?
Now, I never actually played that game, so correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the one where they ran out of money, and decided to just leave out the last couple levels and slap it together?

[Bruhaha69]

I don't know if they ran out of money, but I do know they changed the way the game ended pretty much last minute. Here's the wiki entry:

Soul Reaver entered development alongside Blood Omen 2: Legacy of Kain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Omen_2:_Legacy_of_Kain) in 1997 and focused on puzzle solving instead of Blood Omen 2's action.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-Dev.Diary-15) During design, the development team created larger areas that could be explored more thoroughly as Raziel acquired new powers, avoiding the "shallow[ness]" of Blood Omen's layout.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-NextGen_Preview-16) Crystal Dynamics based Soul Reaver on Silicon Knights' research of vampire mythology for Blood Omen.[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-Dennis_Dyack_Interview-17) Other aspects of the game, such as the idea of a fallen vampire who devoured souls, were inspired by the epic poem "Paradise Lost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost)".[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-Dev.Diary-15) The staff aimed to develop gameplay similar to Tomb Raider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_Raider) and used an upgraded version of Gex 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gex_3)'s game engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_engine) to generate the three-dimensional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_computer_graphics) game world.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-GP-127-18)[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-GI_Review-19) Before Soul Reaver's release, the relationship between Silicon Knights and Crystal Dynamics dissolved. Because their research was used, Silicon Knights filed an injunction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injunction) to stop further promotion of the game.[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-SK-CD_Dispute-20) Other delays pushed the release date from October 1998 to August 1999.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-GP-127-18)[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-Delays-21)
These delays forced Crystal Dynamics to cut significant game material, including additional powers for Raziel, a third battle with Kain, and an expanded Glyph system which would have given elemental powers to the Soul Reaver.[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-OPM_Preview-22) In an interview, series director Amy Hennig stated that the development team split the original, much larger plans in two after realizing that they had "over-designed the game", given the constraints on time and data. This decision explains Soul Reaver's cliffhanger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliffhanger) ending and the appearance of originally planned material in later games.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-Hennig_Interview-23) Despite the split, Hennig explained that the team left unused components—such as extra power-ups and enemies—in Soul Reaver's game engine to avoid unforeseen glitches that might have arisen from their removal.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-Hennig_Interview-23)[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Kain:_Soul_Reaver#cite_note-GP-127-18)

I think the "other delays" might have been when CD was being bought out by Eidos. They were having financial issues before that, but the crap wasn't cut because of them.

[lordsnarf]

Allright, so that's a bit different than how I remebered it. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I don't really have an opinion of the game one way or another, it just seems horribly out of place on this list. That's not nearly the worst crime of the list though, so...

[Frogacuda]

Soul Reaver is a pretty good game, and the DC version is arguably the best (thanks to inept controls on the PC), but there are better games omitted, of course.

[jp]

Soul Reaver is a pretty good game, and the DC version is arguably the best (thanks to inept controls on the PC), but there are better games omitted, of course.

If you're referring to my list then yeah, of course, that was off the top of my head. :p

[ngt]

01. Border Down
02. Under Defeat
03. Mars Matrix
04. Giga Wing
05. Giga Wing 2
07. Shenmue
08. Shenmue II
10. Jet Set Radio
11. Frame Gride
12. Alien Front Online
13. Phantasy Star Online
14. Sonic Adventure
15. Sonic Adventure 2
16. Skies of Arcadia
17. Grandia II
19. Rez
20. House of the Dead 2
21. Soul Calibur
22. Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves
24. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
25. Sword of the Berserk
26. Tech Romancer
27. Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram
29. Power Stone 2
37. Sega Marine Fishing
40. Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2
42. Seaman
46. Resident Evil: Code Veronica
48. Re-Volt
50. Bangai-O
51. Ikaruga





Looked through the list and tried to pick out games that I didn't personally think were "Great" (again, just imo, and some I didn't play, lol), and the list stayed big. So many "GREAT" games on the DC. I'm sure I'm forgetting some too...


...If it were my list, I'd add....Capcom vs Snk 2, Last Blade 2 (import) , and NHL 2k....and I erased the 2k NFL series but thought about it and need to add that back to the list. I also erased the crazy taxi series because I hated it, but can't deny the tons of people who loved it.

all 3, imo, great games.

also, nice giving Frame Gride the love it deserves. So many folks missed out on that one. It was popular for a minute, lol. I loved it and would play it over VOOT. Yeah, I said it :nod:

Also, even with the GREAT games, man, so many other "GOOD" games that deserve mentioning as well. (Heavy Metal Geomatrix) I honestly think that people who missed the DC or even those who didn't dive into importing and the US "good" games, missed out on some of the best gaming of all time, easily.

[jp]

also, nice giving Frame Gride the love it deserves. So many folks missed out on that one. It was popular for a minute, lol. I loved it and would play it over VOOT. Yeah, I said it :nod:


I always thought Frame Gride was one of the absolute best looking games of that generation. I still don't believe there is a PS2 game that looks better than it.

[Bruhaha69]

I always wanted to get Frame Gride but have no excuse as to why I didn't.

[ngt]

I always thought Frame Gride was one of the absolute best looking games of that generation. I still don't believe there is a PS2 game that looks better than it.

Oh yeah, VGA box and some Frame Gride was beautiful. I lost my save like 3-4 times on that game and kept going back.


I always wanted to get Frame Gride but have no excuse as to why I didn't.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=frame+gride&_sacat=See-All-Categories

[mr_chun]

I haven't read much of Hilary's stuff since I've never owned any incarnation of the xbox. But just based on the DC coverage from the last few weeks, he seems like a total asshat lol.

I liked Soul Reaver. I haven't finished it (I don't finish most games, unfortunately), but what I did play was great.

Oh, and thanks for the list of DC games JP. I need to track some of those babies down. ;)

[Conjoshus]

It is silly to me to make a top 25 DC list, it just wasnt out long enough to have 25 really great games.


Completely disagree there :)

[Hunter]

I finished most of Soul Reaver, and it was definitely a great game.

[mr_chun]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/102/1027343p1.html

Hilary includes Shenmue 1&2 in the "Top Ten DC games that should come to the PSN". Don't worry, he still takes a jab at it. But wtf?

[Frogacuda]

Jeremy Dunham is leaving IGN and Hilary is taking over. :(

[jp]

Jeremy Dunham is leaving IGN and Hilary is taking over. :(

Oh. my. God.


Fuck IGN.

And fuck the idea of putting DC games on PSN.

[mr_chun]

Matt Cassamassina is getting a bigger role as well. He will be reviewing games on all platforms, not just Ninty's.

[Bruhaha69]

Jeremy Dunham is leaving IGN and Hilary is taking over. :(

That fat fuck.....I wish someone with a brain would read his bullshit and fire him.

[Frogacuda]

Matt Cassamassina is getting a bigger role as well. He will be reviewing games on all platforms, not just Ninty's.

I don't know if it's bigger, just different. He's basically sick of having to only play shitty Nintendo games, so rather than manage Nintendo's crew he's going to be more of a free agent.

This might make his visibility greater, but it sounds like it will diminish his role as an actual manager, since Craig will be taking the channel over.

[mr_chun]

Hmm, I guess you're right. Internally, it is probably a smaller role. But from our viewpoint, his name is going to be slapped on all a lot of the major reviews, which will make it look like he has a bigger, rather, more important role than he used to.

[lordsnarf]

Allright, like I said, I never played Soul Reaver. So I meant no slight against the game, my point still stands though. You can easily name 25 games more desrving of a place on this list.

[Hunter]

Oh no, I definitely agree. Soul Reaver doesn't need to be on that list, especially since Shemue is not and that definitely deserves a spot, as does Shenmue II. I hate how no one considers Shenmue II as a dreamcast game, just because it wasn't released in the US. I imported, and I'm certain that the vast majority of people who played Shenmue II did so as well.

[jp]

Oh no, I definitely agree. Soul Reaver doesn't need to be on that list, especially since Shemue is not and that definitely deserves a spot, as does Shenmue II. I hate how no one considers Shenmue II as a dreamcast game, just because it wasn't released in the US. I imported, and I'm certain that the vast majority of people who played Shenmue II did so as well.

I boycotted the fuck out of the Xbox version.


Though in retrospect, that might not have been such a good move for the series... its like we were telling Sega that Peter Moore and Charles Bellfield were worthless dipshits for cancelling the US version while they were on their way out the door to Microsoft...

[Da_Shocker]

Fuck IGN they ban me to much so I left there asses. And although I think Shenmue is a bit overrated you still have to put it up there as one of the best DC games ever.

[Conjoshus]

Shenmue overrated? I consider it underrated most of the time. Hell, it didn't even sell very well and most gamers today have no idea what the hell you're even talking about when you bring it up.

Awesome game that should get a third entry (provided there is actually some marketing this time around), no doubt.

[Specineff]

Good to see Tech Romancer was on the list, JP. Otherwise I would have gone Berserk Pulsion on you. :p

[Hunter]

I keep hearing that, but Shenmue actually sold well. Well over a million. Shenmue II didn't do anywhere near as well, but did almost 400k. Still, the first sold pretty well. Just nowhere near enough to justify the massive development costs. I think it would have had to sell over 4 mill to make a profit, which was not going to happen.

[jp]

Shenmue II failed mainly because of Peter Moore and Charles Bellfield completely dropping the ball.

Had Shenmue II been the final glorious DC release it should have been, it would have more than likely sold better.

[Da_Shocker]

IDK JP Sega has never had that big loyal following that Nintendo and Square has. Even companies like M$ who's main appeal is in the US has moved more units that Sega best selling Sonic 2.